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Mao, 1956:

Now U.S. imperialism is quite powerful, but in reality it isn't. It is very weak politically because it is divorced from the masses of the people and is disliked by everybody and by the American people too. In appearance it is very powerful but in reality it is nothing to be afraid of, it is a paper tiger. Outwardly a tiger, it is made of paper, unable to withstand the wind and the rain. I believe the United States is nothing but a paper tiger.

When we say U.S. imperialism is a paper tiger, we are speaking in terms of strategy. Regarding it as a whole, we must despise it. But regarding each part, we must take it seriously. It has claws and fangs. We have to destroy it piecemeal. For instance, if it has ten fangs, knock off one the first time, and there will be nine left, knock off another, and there will be eight left. When all the fangs are gone, it will still have claws. If we deal with it step by step and in earnest, we will certainly succeed in the end.

Strategically, we must utterly despise U.S. imperialism. Tactically, we must take it seriously. In struggling against it, we must take each battle, each encounter, seriously. At present, the United States is powerful, but when looked at in a broader perspective, as a whole and from a long-term viewpoint, it has no popular support, its policies are disliked by the people, because it oppresses and exploits them. For this reason, the tiger is doomed. Therefore, it is nothing to be afraid of and can be despised. But today the United States still has strength, turning out more than 100 million tons of steel a year and hitting out everywhere. That is why we must continue to wage struggles against it, fight it with all our might and wrest one position after another from it. And that takes time.


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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 107 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Folks, it's time for the latest installation of "Western media finally says the things the news mega has been saying for 2+ years". I'm just going to highlight a couple quotes I think are interesting, but the article is a quick read.

FT - Israel races to supply anti-missile shield: Intense war demands have left the IDF relying on the US to fill gaps in air defences

Israel faces a looming shortage of interceptor missiles as it shores up air defences to protect the country from attacks by Iran and its proxies, according to industry executives, former military officials and analysts.

The US is racing to help close gaps in Israel’s protective shield, announcing on Sunday the deployment of a Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (Thaad) antimissile battery, ahead of an expected retaliatory strike from Israel on Iran that risks further regional escalation.

“Israel’s munitions issue is serious,” said Dana Stroul, a former senior US defence official with responsibility for the Middle East.

“If Iran responds to an Israel attack [with a massive air strike campaign], and Hizbollah joins in too, Israel air defences will be stretched,” she said, adding that US stockpiles were not limitless. “The US can’t continue supplying Ukraine and Israel at the same pace. We are reaching a tipping point.”

As it turns out, profit maximization, lean manufacturing, and just-in-time logistics is not compatible with a rapidly expanding warfront. Apparently, stockpiles and excess industrial capacity are kind of important when you want to fight another country with a peer or near-peer industrial base, let alone multiple.

The US-supplied Thaad battery, which is designed to shoot down ballistic missiles, will sit alongside Israel’s Arrow system. It bolsters Israel’s overall air defences as Benjamin Netanyahu’s government plans its retaliatory strike for Iran’s missile barrage in October, which Tehran said was to avenge the killing of the leaders of the Hamas and Hizbollah militant groups.

Is "sit along side" metaphorical or literal, here? My gut feeling is that this is literal, and they are going to place the THAAD battery, which will be operated by ~100 US troops, next to an Arrow battery, meaning that the strategy is to use US troops as human shields to deter a strike on the interceptor batteries.

“We are not seeing Hizbollah’s full capability yet. It has only been firing at around a tenth of its estimated prewar launching capacity, a few hundred rockets a day instead of as many as 2,000,” said Assaf Orion, a former Israeli brigadier general and head of strategy at the Israel Defense Forces.

“Some of that gap is a choice by Hizbollah not to go full out, and some of it is due to degradation by the IDF . . . But Hizbollah has enough left to mount a strong operation,” Orion added. “Haifa and northern Israel are still on the receiving end of rocket and drone attacks almost every day.”

Analysts said that defence planners and Israel’s AI-powered air defences were having to choose which areas to protect over others.

More than 20,000 rockets and missiles have been fired at Israel over the past year from Gaza and Lebanon alone, according to official Israeli figures.

“During the October 1 attack, there was a sense the IDF reserved some Arrow interceptors in case Iran fired its next salvo at Tel Aviv,” said Ehud Eilam, a former researcher at Israel’s Ministry of Defence. “It’s only a matter of time before Israel starts to run out of interceptors and has to prioritise how they are deployed.”

We are getting to the point where Israel is having to choose which missiles to let through, which is not a great spot to be in when your population has a very low tolerance for casualties.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 79 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We are getting to the point where Israel is having to choose which missiles to let through, which is not a great spot to be in when your population has a very low tolerance for casualties.

You really don't wanna be in a position where you have to protect your civilian centers just on the off-chance that Iran will hit them (even though they and Hezbollah and Yemen don't seem interested in causing mass civilian death and instead strike military facilities) while leaving your airbases and planes unprotected, which are the only functional part of the Israeli armed forces given that their soldiers seem more interested in taking selfies and wistfully gazing out of windows in Gaza and then getting blown into chunks than actually executing a competent invasion strategy.

[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Analysts said that defence planners and Israel’s AI-powered air defences were having to choose which areas to protect over others.

Holy cope lmao

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago

yeah we totally just let our airfield full of F35s get hit 40 times, it was us holding back!

[–] Eldungeon2@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One has to imagine that reserves are low globally. US'd probably be in a bad situation if something did pop off with PRC but it hasn't made us any less hawkish.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I haven't bothered to really comment on it here, but I am pretty skeptical about the whole "war with China by 2027" thing because it's coming primarily from the US Navy. China is really the only country that arguably justifies the level of spending the US Navy leadership and shipbuilders/weapons manufacturers want. Maybe it's real, but I can't help but have the feeling that it's just a bunch of defense contractors wanting more money and Pentagon staff looking out for their exit opportunities.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Military contractors certainly will look for any basis to justify more contracts, but there is an incredibly strong impulse among the American ultra-bourgeoisie driving the initiative to prepare for war with China. From their perspective, if the United States cannot remain peerless, they have already lost, and the only way they can arrest China's development is through military intervention. It is the only alternative left after sanctions have failed to frustrate China's development of many cutting edge technologies.

Is it at all practical? Is there a material basis for military victory? Probably not. To compete with China on economic, academic, and technological terms with a quarter of the population, profound domestic social reforms need to take place. The US needs to send as many people to universities as possible, needs to employ as many people in PRODUCTIVE labor as possible, ensure that they are in good health, ensure they are housed, stop flushing millions of human-years down the toilet with mass incarceration and premature death, etc. But those reforms would be tantamount to a revolution. They are off the table, and constraining China militarily is necessary to keep them from coming to fruition out of economic necessity. The American ruling class will not sacrifice their ability to have their cake and eat it too. They want to remain the peerless masters of the world while desperately clinging to an utterly backwards regime fueled by an incomprehensible waste of human potential.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, yes, the US commentariat/politico types have been cheering for war with China, that's true. However, the Pentagon tends to have a bit more sober and realistic analysis of conflicts/potential conflicts, because they are the ones who would actually have to fight it. A lot of the first IS government officials/employees to say either outright or leak to the media on background than the war in Ukraine isn't/hasn't been going well, and that the Ukrainians will need to make peace, have been Pentagon officials. Of course, there are definitely people in the US military that want war with China. There are various factions to the US military like there are in any other organziation. I am just a lot more skeptical of how much the Pentagon actually wants a shooting war with China, at least relative to how much the politics sickos who don't have to actually fight want a war.

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately for those military types they're not in charge. The CIA has the ability with State Dept to just start a war. Instruct their pawn in Taiwan to declare independence, ensure the US president who is commander of the military knows they must intervene to defend them or else be seen as weak. President orders it, generals object and facepalm but China is already on the move and there's nothing that can stop it at that point.

So it's not what the generals want. Yes they can probably stop or dissuade the president from launching pre-emptive attacks for no particular reason but it won't go down that way. Instead it will go down as a crisis (an engineered one obviously) that will occur, demand action and the US will feel based on everything that it is that it has no choice but to act and so it will be.

I suppose China could just let them have Taiwan but if they do the US will station tens of thousands of troops and missile systems and probably nukes on Taiwan before long and China won't get it back this century in this case which is a real deal-breaker.

I think that military conflict doesn't need to grow intense.

Like Ukraine it just needs to happen enough that the US government can pull a big lever called "fast decoupling" and force companies out of China quickly by slamming down a wall of sanctions. And like with Ukraine they can drag the EU into this via "defending democracy" and get them to pull their companies out and to do sanctions, divestment, decoupling.

This may be more about re-orienting the world for campism and a new cold war with the west withdrawing and putting up economic walls against China/Russia/BRICS and then trying to draw as much of the world as possible into their sphere while keeping out as much of the world from the BRICS sphere as possible with a strong possibility they can get India to pick up the slack from China and turn their position in BRICS into the kind of Turkish/Hungarian position inside NATO which is a spoiler who restrains the rest of it and takes contrary actions for its own self against the group interests and agenda. It's a modified form of the cold war playbook the US used to success in the first cold war in the 50s through 70s. Strategic coups, destabilization operations (terrorism, separatism in key regions) to disrupt China's supply routes and access to key resources and the belt and road.

This would be a time buying exercise. It would lock down NATO/EU markets for only western companies and non-Chinese/Russian firms and aim to out-compete using cheap labor while betting on crushing China/Russia on high technology leading to growing discontent and shortages as well as them falling behind. What if one of the points of the Ukraine war is to kill enough young men that they can justify importing a ton of desperate migrants to create a cheap factory (deeply destabilized due to the tensions of this situation) on the periphery of the EU to replace Russia/China along with their utilization of India? I wonder sometimes.

There's a real chance the US will just do something like deploy mines or AI-drones and dump them in the straits to try and cut off China's navy and land a bunch of weapons systems and special forces to fight China. The idea of a full confrontation between the US navy and the PLAN may never materialize so the intensity of the conflict will be lower. The US will use their vast air power to airlift in supplies and troops to the island. China can still win if they want to but it increases the costs and draw it out to be enough of a media spectacle that the people in the west are turned against China and the pressure for decoupling succeeds.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The "War with China by 2027" isn't coming from the CIA, it's coming from the US Navy. As I said in my original comment, it is why I am skeptical that it's an actual policy goal from the Navy instead of an excuse to get more funding.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Exactly, they can't outcompete China while also basing the economy on layers and layers unproductive parasitism. The problem is, they also can't win a war against China for the same reason, and I think a good number of them realize that.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 53 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We are not seeing Hizbollah’s full capability yet

Herbollah's 👏👏👏

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago

I prefer thembollah!

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago

Lol we were discussing all of this shit before the invasion of gaza even started.