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[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace

The shooting war in Ukraine began with Yanukovych’s overthrow nine years ago, not in February 2022 as the U.S. government, NATO, and the G7 leaders would have us believe.

So many people forget that the Ukrainian Russian conflict never really ended, the idea that it was an unprovoked invasion is absurd, (and no, before someone decides to make a braindead comment, provoked does not mean justified.) There have been many leaked videos pre-invasion of violence towards both sides, and neither side made a proper effort to actually quell it, only surface level bullshit inorder to take the "moral ground:

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Westerners usually don’t know any of that, because Western governments, NGOs, and corporate media erase all inconvenient context and history. I try to point folks toward developing real media literacy

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

@davel @drwankingstein All of which have their biases and really a very limited subsample of viewpoints and history.

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Holy shit I didn't know admins in this place were full blown Russian lickers. I don't know about you but I would gladly have my country join nato if that means not ending up like Georgia or now Ukraine twice.

Also congrats on getting Finland to finally join nato btw.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago

always hilarious to see nafoids show up here

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Cool, maybe the US will blow up its new ally’s pipelines too someday. We are not a trustworthy ally.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Right??? They act like they are concerned about what events could have taken place to ensure that the invasion never happened. Guess what could have occurred that would have been the biggest guarantee that the invasion could never happen? Ukraine joining NATO prior to the invasion....

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All NATO wanted to do was to use Ukraine as a tool to weaken Russia, and now NATO will discard Ukraine like a used condom. That's the fate of all the vassals of the empire.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

@yogthos @theunknownmuncher The controllers of said empire isn't the elected government. How we can reign that back in, I don't know.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

That's the big question of our times.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago

How we can reign that back in, I don’t know.

They're above the law, so... guillotines.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

@Samueru @davel Is there something about people from lemmy.ml that makes them only capable of insults as opposed to rational discussions?

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What rational discussion is to be had when one country is clearly annexing another since 2014 lmao?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago

The US currently occupies a larger percentage of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine, but do go on.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

@Samueru The history goes back way before 2014 and your summation of the situation is inaccurate.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There is also a recent academic book (by an Ukrainian academic) about the maidan massacre: The Maidan Massacre in Ukraine: The Mass Killing that Changed the World | SpringerLink

Evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt the far right / oligarchs were behind the mass killing of over 100 people and blame it on the government in a false flag operation. But people in the west will never hear of this. And if they hear they will dismiss it as conspiracy theory or propaganda. So it's really no wonder people like linus react like this.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

One has to really go out of one’s way to hear it, because corporate media aren’t going to tell it to us, until perhaps twenty or more years from now, when it no longer matters.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

@Samueru I find it humorous that someone would downvote me for suggesting that history goes back more than a decade. Guess they are less than ten years old and think their parents appeared out of nowhere when they were born.