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I'm fairly new and don't 100% understand it yet, but instances are run on servers that require money. Are we heading towards seeing ads or subscriptions to raise funds instead of relying on donations to cover overhead?

Especially with the influx of new users. Hardware upgrades are needed.

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is inevitable as well.

A user base as large as Reddit has an infra bill in the tens of millions. And that's mature, with cost optimization at all levels to reduce compute, static content costs, more effective caching....etc

Lemmy instances are probably an order of magnitude more expensive to run on a per-user basis, at least.

This means the bill for the Lemmy fediverse if it had the active user base of reddit could be conceivably be near or over a collective $100mill/y with the majority of that just being a result of fragmented, high cost, infrastructure running a (at scale) low performance application.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's easy to fix. There's a ton of new fediverse apps popping up. Just charge them an API fee.

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Just... a reasonable one.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't do that, the fediverse and Lemmy software doesn't work that way.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What about some sort of equity load balancing shenanigans? Small instances take on some load roughly equivalent to what they use from other instances or something. In another comment I was talking about funding instances and being able to rapidly iterate funding methods. One issue is they get value from the federation, so contributing all or some portion of what you use may be fitting.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

This is miles away from how the Fediverse works.

[–] _kato@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The cost will be spread out on an instance by instance basis due to which the cost per user will be low and if not they can also host their own instance which doesn't cost a lot. If it's something around $5 a month I wouldn't mind paying to support a service I plan on using everyday.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's not how cost/user works. The cost/user actually goes UP the more small instances you have as a result of more expensive, smaller scale, and severely less optimized infrastructure. Infrastructure gets cheaper on a per-user basis as it consolidates, there are lots of technical reasons for this, but it can be summed up with scale (infra per "unit" is cheaper the more you can guarantee you'll use, and LOTS of cost optimization paths open up the larger you get).

My point is that the community is going to hit a growth barrier, and that barrier is money and efficiency. Would you be willing to donate $5/m to 50-100 instances? Since to support that kind of scale they would need to whittle down to one instance per community for large communities, and massive communities (think 10-50 million users) might not even be able to exist with the current Lemmy hosting model. I wonder if even 1-5million user communities would even function without dedicated engineering to support the infrastructure and custom tools/services to make it work.

....etc

It's a real problem. One that will be felt sooner than you might think, and one that will limit the growth, stability, and longevity of communities.

[–] drphungky@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Tl;Dr: economies of scale are an economic reality. Lemmy will likely go like email, with large centralized private companies running the most popular servers.