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Why YSK: because what seems like equal situation from surface isn't always equal opportunity for all. And even when equal measure of help is provided, it might not be equally useful.

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[–] toastus@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wouldn't then in the second panel still not be equal assistance?

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. "Except for the basics of the system itself" is implied.

[–] toastus@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really don't mean to be contrarian but I simply don't understand how a leaning tree can be assistance in panel 1 but not in panel 2.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is assistance in both, but the point is that "equal" assistance in an unequal world (the tree still leaning one way) doesn't actually provide justice, since those the tree is leaning towards still benefit more, even when the others have "extra" assistance.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

The leaning tree represents things that are unintentional, the tree just grew like that, it wasn't on purpose.

The second panel represents intentional assistance, it was given to them on purpose.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really don't mean to be a contrarian

I'm not sure I believe that, but I'm gonna continue to give you the benefit of doubt for a bit more.

The assistance being alluded to is assistance on top of the system to correct the negative effects of the system.

The vast majority of the reasons any group of people is marginalised at all are systemic and stem from powerful people in the past (and, to a much lesser but still abhorrent degree, the present) writing the rules to give themselves and other people like them advantageous conditions compared to others.

[–] toastus@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt I guess.

I think I will stay at my own conclusion that this picture doesn't do a good job of pointing out the differences between the panels.

They could just as easily have given the left child the ladder from panel 1 on. That would show that just equalizing the tools and assistance doesn't create real justice in a flawed system.
I am not convinced that starting with no tools and assistance (aside from the tree that somehow is assistance in panel 1 and isn't in panel 2) and then giving them both the same ladder makes that point very well.

But maybe I still just don't quite get it.