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You choose, even when you don't vote (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I have seen no material evidence to this effect.

Here's a user's comment that listed three sources:

https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715

She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.

March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas

July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315

September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK

If you're sitting on the October Surprise please share it. All the evidence we have suggests that Harris wants a ceasefire. While Trump wants a christo-fascist dictatorship and is content to watch Israel complete its genocide. The candidates have distinct positions despite your argument's attempt to conflate the two.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There you go bringing facts and rationality into a bOTh sIDes debate. Bold move.

[–] fuckgenosiders@lemmings.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey look more "fact and rationality":

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-has-secured-87-billion-us-aid-package-2024-09-26/

But sure, she's "calling for a ceasefire". Are you really that guillible or just bad faithed?

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wonder what you would see in your search results if you searched for Harris call for ceasefire.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Less than 87 billion words.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Very much so. Most of the links in mine were about Kamala Harris calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well maybe when she has one ceasefire call per dollar in bombs I will be impressed.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How many calls for ceasefire has Trump, the other person who might become president made? Who is ringing up to encourage Netanyahu to reject Biden's ceasefire plan? Oh yes. Trump. Trump, working for war in the middle east. Trump, who calls himself the best king of Israel. Trump, delighting in the genocide because he has a man crush on dictators and yearns to be one.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

k

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think it's OK to put a geriatric genocidal insurrectionist imbecile in the Whitehouse.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think it's okay to put any genocidal people into the whitehouse.

At this point she's decided she doesn't need my vote and she's not getting it. Come to terms with that.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We both know that Trump is the crazy genocidal guy that's ringing Netanyahu up telling him not to have a ceasefire, and Biden and Harris are the sensible ones calling publicly for a ceasefire and trying to convince Netanyahu to go for it. These things are public knowledge and you're in complete denial.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure what you think I am in denial about. I am fully aware they are calling for ceasefire, but I also know they do this while sending more bombs and vetoing any UN action. So really if we are going to cast denial accusations it might start with you thinking Biden and Harris what even a sliver of this to stop.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah, yes, Harris and Biden publicly calling for a ceasefire and negotiating one whilst secretly plotting the destruction of Palestine! For the lols? To wind up the republicans? Because Bibi told Biden he was a great president and it went to his head and lost all rational thought? Oh, wait, no, it's Trump that does that

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What secret plotting? They are giving them the weapons. If you believe dems when they say we need to stop shooting while they reload Israel's guns you're being played.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And trump would be better in your view?! That's delusional.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

No, and I'm not voting for Trump.

[–] fuckgenosiders@lemmings.world -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hey you want some facts and rationality?

https://www.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/4.29.2024-NSM-20-AIUSA-submission-re-Israel.pdf

Harris should be in jail.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

ROFL! Harris should be in jail?

For what exactly? I’d LOVE to see this. Please. If you would, explain in detail.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So, tell everyone that you don't know what the VP does without saying it.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you mean to respond to someone else with this?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, meant to reply to the person you replied to. My bad.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

It’s all good.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Problem is that public statements are one thing, actions are another. And politicians are known to make great many statements they then contradict by their actions.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What actions would you have a vice president take? What exactly do you think she has the power to do right now?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
  • She could have publicly renounced the Israeli government instead of defending it.
  • She could have voted against and started voting initiatives to stop weapon sales and military aid.
  • She could have went to court to sue the government if Biden was reluctant. The arms sales are illegal by US law, as Israel is known to attack US and international humanotaroan aid
  • She could have made a point of opposing Netanyahu when he was in congress instead of just not being there.
  • She could have threatened to step down as VP and followed through with it, once she became candidate.
  • She could have let Palestinian Americans speak at the DNC convention instead of silencing them, while giving Families of Israeli hostages a place to speak. This was the bare minimum to do, unless clearly picking the side of Zionism.

Then the party establishment had two options:

  • Either they would have fallen in line, winning the election and accepting that genocide is a no go for Harris.
  • Or they could have tried to oust her, knowing that it would cost them the election, or create so much push back that she remains as candidate and gets to toss them out.
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

From just your second line I can see that you have no idea what powers the vice president has.

Where and when was she supposed to vote against or for those things?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

Senate presidency

When Harris took office the 117th Congress's Senate was divided 50–50 between Republicans and Democrats;[193] this meant that she was often called upon to exercise her power to cast tie-breaking votes as president of the Senate. Harris cast her first two tie-breaking votes on February 5. In February and March, Harris's tie-breaking votes were required to pass the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 stimulus package Biden proposed, since no Senate Republicans voted for it.[194][195] On July 20, Harris broke Mike Pence's record for tie-breaking votes in the first year of a vice presidency[196] when she cast the seventh tie-breaking vote in her first six months.[197] She cast 13 tie-breaking votes during her first year in office, the most tie-breaking votes in a single year in U.S. history, surpassing John Adams, who cast 12 in 1790.[197][198] On December 5, 2023, Harris broke the record for the most tie-breaking votes cast by a vice president, casting her 32nd vote, exceeding John C. Calhoun, who cast 31 votes during his nearly eight years in office.[199][200] On November 19, 2021, Harris served as acting president from 10:10 to 11:35 am EST while Biden underwent a colonoscopy.[201] She was the first woman, and the third person overall, to assume the powers and duties of the presidency as acting president of the United States.[202][203][204]

As early as December 2021, Harris was identified as playing a pivotal role in the Biden administration owing to her tie-breaking vote in the evenly divided Senate as well as her being the presumed front-runner in 2024 if Biden did not seek reelection.[205]

So from my understanding she gets the final vote on split issues. She could have leveraged her political power to push these issues to get to vote.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And which tied votes in specific should she have voted a different way on? Please name them.

Because I can't think of a single tied vote regarding Israel.

[–] fuckgenosiders@lemmings.world -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

So she called for a ceasefire back in March? and then in July? And then in September?

That doesn't sounds very effective does it?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Keep moving those goalposts. Btw, I hope this is literally your job because wow. 4 hour old account, and since jumping on this morning, you have been EVERYWHERE.

At the moment: 40 comments in 4 hours. All about one thing. Nice.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

He just does this until an account gets banned. All his usernames are some form of "fuckamericans". Edgy 12 year old.