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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That assumes a country has a single culture.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So we should tolerate say, nazi culture everywhere?

The paradox of tolerance is a thing.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're conflating a political ideology with a culture.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You clearly haven't read about pre-ww2 Germany, they were trying to enforce their vision of what they thought German culture should be.

They had ideals, organizations for children, they pushed music, arts, literature they felt glorified their German ideal and the expectations in service of the state.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, all of that, that was the party program of the NSDAP, a political party.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To change the German culture, to the nazi party's ideal vision of a culture

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, and changing the culture of a country is a political program.

Here is the difference: babies are not born into a political program, they are born into a culture. You don't grow up into a political program, you grow up into a culture.

Political programs are typically rooted in some culture and sometimes, a political program can become a culture, but a culture is not in itself intimately linked with a political program. In the same culture you can have multiple competing political programs in fact.

[–] Hyperlon@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No it doesn't. It assumes that countries have synergistic cultures.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't know what that means. European countries have multiple cultures in them.

That said, your catchphrase is typically used to imply that Islam is incompatible with Europe. But there exist several countries in geographical Europe with Islam as an established religion. Greece has an official Muslim minority. Bosnia, Albania can be classified as plurality-muslim countries. European Turkey, west of the Bosphorus has more people than many European countries. And there are sizeable non-immigrant Muslim communities all over eastern and southeastern Europe. Islam has been part of the European story for a millennium. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Islam is as European as apple pie is American.

[–] Hyperlon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

My "catchphrase" is something I personally said, not someone else's rhetoric. I would ask that you do not make assumptions about what I am saying based on what other people say. If the people who are Islam have a culture that is compatible with that country, let them in. If they are of a culture that practices or supports sharia law and your country believes in women's freedoms, they probably should not be accepted.