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So you claim that Trump is objectively worse because he was vocal rather than Obama doing it on a muted basis? Despite Obama doing substantially higher numbers? That is definitely some take on these set of facts.
No, I'm saying just looking at the numbers doesn't tell the whole story and intentions also play a large role. Trump wanted to do more than he did but was hindered in many ways. He still did untold damage to our immigration systems and irreparably damaged hundreds of families. It's really difficult to explain a concept as vast as this without essentially writing a book, and that isn't my strong suit.
I'm perfectly okay with Obama also being a bad guy here, but he didn't publicly dehumanize immigrants and their families. He also didn't advocate for removing legal residents based solely on their demographic information.
I hate to use this term but you are literally arguing against facts with only feelings; feelings based on comments that arguably amount to mere puffery. My argument is that there is no good guys here, but it appears you are stuck on the point that Trump was worse for undocumented individuals because of feelings, rather than an actual objective measure like numbers.
I can understand why you would think that and I agree that I'm not providing much factual information to work with. I'm not really trying to win an argument here. I was attempting to suggest that relying purely on one data set without considering the wider political and social context is a poor way to form an opinion.
I have a hard time clearly communicating my thoughts and tone via text, but please believe that I mean no disrespect. That being said, bringing up Obama's numbers in a discussion about Trump is quite literally excusing Trump's attempted atrocities because someone else was "worse" in your chosen metric. My position is that numbers don't always tell the whole story.