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Imma be honest, fucking :doubt:
I’d like to see a detailed breakdown of who they actually polled for this data, but I see a big problem immediately. This is a poll of people who voted which, yeah, obviously those people swung towards Trump, that’s why he won. I don’t give a fuck about what those people think.
The people to ask are the 14 million who voted for Biden and didn’t vote this time. In particular the subset of those who were in swing states. And that’s the group that just last week we found was 6X more likely than the average American to care about Gaza.
This is a bad poll for finding out useful info about this election and electorate. This is polling all the patrons at a steakhouse about their eating habits and finding that none of them are vegan. Yeah, no shit, you’re polling in a steakhouse.
Maybe this is just me having too much hope about the morality of Burgerlandians but these numbers just do not line up with all of the polling we saw before Tuesday. I think by the nature of only asking people who did vote you’re automatically selecting for people with shittier views, because only people with shittier views voted in this election.
Agreed, this doesn't really explain why the Dems LOST votes, which is the bigger factor here
Honestly the more I think about it the more frustrating this poll is, I don’t just think this is unhelpful for these issues in this election, I think this is a stupid methodology for any election that doesn’t have compulsory voting.
By the very nature of polling people who voted you’re inherently selecting for people who agree with at least one of the candidates, more likely the winning one. In a system like the US where elections are won on turnout and not changing votes, that’s completely fucking useless when it comes to figuring out what went wrong and how to win future elections.
You went to what is statistically a Trump rally and were shocked to find that everyone you polled supports Trump.
A poll from a few days before found that 34% of respondents in Pennsylvania would be more likely to vote for Kamala if she vowed to stop giving weapons to Israel. Michigan it would’ve been a bigger shift than that.
That simply does not line up with this Blueprint poll, but of course it doesn’t because those are the people you’re specifically excluding from this poll.
Edit: Sorry I was misreading that and giving them more credit than they deserved. That 34% was among all respondents, if you looked at undecided voters who voted for Biden in 2020 it was 57%. Undecided voters who voted for Biden being the people who lost you this election. And similar numbers play out in every swing state.
Got any links for this? Seems like very useful analysis.
Here is the poll I’m talking about, and a couple articles talking about the poll 1 2 and then also this one from months ago because we’ve known this since before Kamala took over the campaign and have been screaming it the whole time.
@RedWizard@hexbear.net
It’s a somewhat small poll but not that small and big enough to draw some conclusions from, even if it’s twice the margin of error it’s still a huge number.
Hit me up with a link to that poll so I can have of on hand when you can.
It lines up with my views!
That's right, Dem. Nothing will fundamentally change the Jackocrats.
I’m in that group and it was the genocide, but I’m also a hexbear and don’t know anytime else like me.