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In case anyone hasn't seen it yet, Alaskaball confirmed that Sangria was their admin alt. They were messing around with their admin tools on their own account and figured it would be seen as a funny bit, but without being informed of the bit many of the mods and admins were just as shocked, confused, and appalled as you were. I've talked to the other admins and mods, and we're all gonna take it easy on bits for a bit. (Pun intended. This is the last one, I promise.)

If you're afraid that there's been an infiltration of transphobic, egomaniacal wrecker mods who hate the users, I want to assure you that's absolutely not the case. The overwhelming majority of mods and admins on this site are trans. Our admins are all trusted, long-time users in good standing. We regularly browse, comment, and post on our main accounts. You post and chat with us daily as comrades, and we value all of you. You may not recognize the usernames on our admin accounts because we regularly swap the alts used for admin privileges. This is why you'll see really old or unused alt accounts as well as really new accounts on the admin team.

I've seen a lot of speculation down below, some entertaining, some upsetting. We absolutely do not accept transphobia or any form of bigotry on this site. Some of the statements provided by mods and admins have been seen as transphobic and bioessentialist. I want to offer some transparency, but also clarify that I can't get much more specific on this for personal security reasons.

During the earlier discussions on how we felt things could be improved with these communities, multiple trans mods and admins described their reasoning in favour of the change by expressing with a variety of wording that it's the [he/him] demographic in particular that has been the source of toxic and troubling behavior in the tanks. That the he/hims haven't been beating the accusations, so to speak. With that group being largely cishet white guys on this site, these two terms were assumed to roughly correlate. We weren't making prepared statements for release, the comments that got posted here were paraphrased and combined from more casual comments made by trans people, in the mod chat to mostly other trans people about some of the chauvinistic and ironically bigoted posting habits that they saw as alienating and unhealthy for the site, and what we could do to improve the situation. We genuinely didn't foresee the potential for a miscommunication of those statements as being bioessentialist, and want to extend our sincerest apologies for the misunderstanding.

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[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago (25 children)

Something 72T mentioned in their selfcrit

This was not just my own isolated belief - other moderators who pay closer attention to the broader site culture than I do (as I stay in the news mega 95% of the time) were adamant that these changes be made, as they have repeatedly said that comrades from certain minority groups have been turned off from joining or staying on the site due to the site culture.

How exactly do we know this about the joining part? And how much of “site culture” is being misconstrued by liberals on other parts of lemmy? It’s no secret that other lemmy instances lie like anything else about here.

[–] m532@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (18 children)

Yknow what deterred me from joining the first time?

A tagline

When you don't know how the site works, decide to check it out, and the first thing you see is a rabid liberal raging about how much they hate hexbear... well

I probably thought the site got hacked or something

[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Then that's a far more pertinent thing to change than the TDT's.

Should be an option that's visibility is off by default and can only be turned on in account settings.

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The taglines are in-jokes, so it really should just be a thing for users to see. Telling an in-joke at someone who isn't in usually just confuses

[–] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I like this, only show them if you're logged in

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That might really make new users think something's been hacked!

[–] sadschmuck@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

An automated welcome message sent to their inbox to try to onboard them could be nice.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm gonna miss the taglines, but yeah this isn't the first time I'm hearing about it. There's been a few new users who have posted something like "what's this?"
Maybe we should let the taglines be hyperlinks to some place that explains it's an injoke. Maybe we should just let them be off. Maybe they should be gone entirely, though I'd really miss them.

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I like the taglines, too. I do want to save them, but I want to see if there's anything we can do to make them less disorientating (so many of them take up like 200% of your screen area on mobile and you have to scroll through a ton of unhinged texts before you even see anything that resembles a website.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

Maybe we could have a bot that posts a tagline once a day in the successor comm to the [comm that shall not be named]

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

:yea:
I feel like there's gotta be some good solution between losing a great piece of site culture and barraging new users with the most unhinged lib takes, without them understanding the bit. Maybe just "what is this?" type link. Maybe we have to remove some of the tags.
I always wish they'd link to the post itself, though that is difficult, made even moreso by people deleting their accounts side-eye-1side-eye-2

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah. Maybe we could have a wall of fame where all of the collected MOTDs (oh god, did I just age myself?) can be seen, but then only show short and sweet ones at the top of the page? Just spitballin' here, really. I definitely think everything should be preserved if changes do get made.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A wall of fame is a great idea! Also a fantastic way to shame libs/tell people to cool off/be able to laugh about things like this strugglesession after the fact.
Some of the things the wrecker-alts wrote were incredibly hilarious, wish we saved them. I posted this emoji troy-pizza and they accused me of doing digital blackface lol

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Someone's initial visit should be disorienting and alienating

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 days ago

That's how you know you're on the right track to finding the portal to the 00s internet.

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