I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.
this post was submitted on 23 Nov 2024
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Not believing the US propaganda apparatus is thoughtcrime
Damn, never noticed I couldn't say stuff like "the US is a shitshow" over here. The agents on my door were always so nice as well!
Buggers, guess I'll have to buy some Apple stocks now and pleasure myself over a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Try praising a US adversary state or mentioning the century of US imperialism and war crimes
Dude, there were literal happy posts all over the place when Kissinger passed. There are US-critical memes on Lemmy and the Fedi all the time, in addition to those making fun of Russia, China, communism etc. Most people are aware that the US is shit. However they're also aware that the USSR back then and China right now are also huge piles of garbage, politically speaking (country and people sure are nice!).
Has it ever cross your mind that most people ain't pissed because you're anti-US, but because you're pro-shit?
Sigh.... Speaking only for myself, I am anti-Imperialist and pro-labor. I'm against the total dominion of the ruling class over all aspects of life in "The West". I'm against a propaganda apparatus that deceives us into thinking servitude and misery is freedom. I'm against inventing atrocities supposedly committed by adversary states. I'm against thinking that reactionary thought can be defeated without state intervention. If that is pro shit then I am pro shit.
Have you ever considered that perhaps I once believed exactly as you did but then exposure to media outside of ruling class control here on lemmy "radicalized" me?
So cool that you're allowed to criticize the US except you just happen to believe everything it says about everything it actually does so you're never in conflict with it at all ever
Nice bogeyman you got there, really polished. You must have worked hard on it.
I'm sorry, what do you think a 'boogeyman' is? Do you dipshits just throw darts at a board to pick thought terminating cliches?
How does the concept of 'boogeyman' relate to the idea that you have never been in a position to learn if you have free speech in the first place, since you never say anything that conflicts with power?
damn, you're constructing new bogeymans to punch at an accelerating pace! That increasing efficiency curve gives me some real market liberalism vibes. 📈
/end joke
In case you really don't get it, look at what you answered to initially and then ask yourself how your accusation relates to that. You keep accusing others of things to then throw punches at those accusations (the bogeyman) to immediately force the other person into a defensive position, even if those accusations weren't even on-topic. It's a manipulative communication strategy to one-up your perceived 'opponent' in a discussion right from the start. Sadly this is a very common thing to come from political extremists, causing anyone who's aware of this to be even more wary.
Nobody, absolutely nobody should ever reply to something this toxic as you can only lose. So to reduce the emotional tension you've might caused and show how ridiculous the whole interaction is I'll make fun about you.
This the only honest explanation you'll get from me about this.
Oh thank you I understand now. Asking a westerner to critically examine their views and how society shaped them is a microaggression and I should just let you say whatever the hell you want without pushback even if the product of that is war and the killing of hundreds of thousands of people who otherwise would live. I'm victimizing you :(
Burgerland chuds should never be put on the defensive. Americans are perfect little angels who are never wrong about anything.
just as an aside, holy shit joke of the year
so funny wow
Tankie alert mate just ignore the comment, block and please move on
Haha, thanks mate. 😁 I'll rather have my fun with them though for reasons I just outlined here, for them to either take and grow or completely ignore / misunderstand. https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/14637515
As you can see it's too late: I have depicted you as the soy wojack
You do know that you guys sound like a cult. The sovcits of the fediverse.
One side of the lefty versus lib divide is continuously agitating for defederation and downvoting every opinion they don't agree with. One side disabled downvotes. Care to guess which is which?
NO ONE IS GETTING BANNED FOR CRITISIZING THE US HERE. In fact, it's the norm here. Now, can you tell me how much I can badmouth the ccp on ml???
Can you show me an example of a well-reasoned and well-sourced criticism of China that triggered moderation action?
I got banned simply for stating that China is a centrally planned economy. Is that a bannable of fence nin your view despite it being the main description on Wikipedia and among most economists?
From your description, that certainly sounds like an uncontroversial take, I would love to see the actual post though.... Commonly people's summaries of posts that got them banned differ quite drastically from the actual post
You must be joking? There is a whole community of people posting how they got banned from ml for the most asinine reasons. Are you serious right now?
Well, being on .ml myself I would probably have the worst visibility on that but when I have seen people actually look at the mod log, it generally doesn't agree with the posters claimed rationale for the ban
You can say whatever you like if nobody cares.
Say something bad about liberalism, NATO, or Ukraine or something good about China or the USSR that threatens the narratives the mods are invested in, and you're liable to have your comment removed for "misinformation", especially if you cite academic works.
Same answer as above: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/25676408/14608182
I can also cite academic papers that apparently prove homeopathy works or, if time doesn't matter, that lobotomy is worth a nobel prize. Doesn't mean they ain't of low quality / biased and pro-shit.
Where are you finding low-quality works being cited by MLs? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but ML groups are infinitely more willing to engage in self-crit than liberals.
An example I had comments removed for was Liberalism: A counter history, that goes through the words, actions, and context of major liberal philosophers to define liberalism.
Also Life and Terror in Stalin's Russia, because using real data to derive a nuanced understanding distracted from the USSR bad circle-jerk.