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‘Would you survive 72 hours?’ Germany and the Nordic countries prepare citizens for possible war
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2024
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Unfortunately a strong military is necessary to maintain peace
It might sound contradictory at first but you should consider that people will always disagree. And if you and your neighboring country disagree and they have 20x more military power than you, they might be inclined to use force to solve your differences
The only thing that allows you to have a civil and diplomatic discussion is the assurance that war is the worst of the options. As we see today, strong military nations are not afraid to abuse weaker military powers.
I understand the hate towards the production of weapons, and I'm with you. But defunding the military is a simplistic, utopian argument that unfortunately would not work in the present time
I've never seen a more polite and constructive way to call someone a naive idiot ;)
Peace is maintain by seeking peace and avoid conflict not by spending billions of dollars in weapons that in most cases are designed to attack and kill other people.
And that's why you want to cut the military budget to 0 so that there's no leverage to use force against others. According to your logic people will always disagree? So ban nukes and weapons before everyone kill each others, putting a gun in everyone hands is going to lead to a bloodbath not to peace.
Again cut the military budget to 0 so that your nation doesn't abuse weaker military powers.
You sound like you are making an apology to war and authoritarian nations. You are not with me and you are not with the human race, you are against it. What's utopian is to believe that you can achieve peace by spending Trillions of dollars in war. What's simplistic is to believe that you can't do without a government tossing billions of public money into military weapons.
I'm very curious as to what your suggested course of action would be if you were to "cut the military budget to 0", and then another nation with a strong military uses their military to abuse or murder the citizens of your nation because they disagree with your nation in some way...
You don't need military budget to defend yourself. Governments need military budget to gain power and attack others.
If your country has zero weapons and my country has some weapons, what's your plan for stopping your country becoming an extension of mine, and your culture, language and history becoming lost forever?
Just make peace, it's easy, just tell the invaders no, they will respect that and see the error of their ways.
Countries are invisible lines on the map to begin with. There are many ways to defend yourself that don't involve spending billions of pubic money into military assets such as aircarriers or stealth planes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare
Sorry: I'd mistaken you for a person using considered-reasoning.
Ideology doesn't reason.
Its symbols are comforting substitutes for reason, & they're enough, for it, right?
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...oh
You doubled down. 🤣
Brother, I respect your principles but you're not understanding the issue with having no military.
First you would have to convince all countries in the world to cut all military budgets. Including convincing countries that would suffer economically from the extinction of the arms industry.
And once all countries have 0 military, there is an incentive for aggressive leaders to produce weapons since it would be easy to win a war against an unarmed country
Disarming a country is an impossible mission because it only works if the entire world agrees to it, and because it makes everyone vulnerable once someone decides to break the agreement.
I hope you can see it clearly now. Unless you have a proposal that fixes the two points above, your 0 military plan would not work
I'm happy to discuss more if you'd like
This highlight that you are thinking only according to how the system currently work (or how you are told it works). No country would actually suffer economically if they cut off the arms industry because they can use the money and resources for something else.
Countries are populated by people and humans can defend themself even without stealth planes or nuclear submarines. It's the government that needs asset to exercise their power be it machines or people.
Sorry but you don't understand how this works.
It doesn't make sense when you say:
For example. The US arms industry exports were worth 238 Billion $ in 2023. That means that the arms industry brought 238 billion from outside the US to inside the economy
Because the money is coming from outside. If the industry stops, the US will lose this money.
You are putting your convictions above logic. It doesn't matter how hard you believe in something, if it is not practical it won't work.
If your suggestions really make sense you should be able to convince at least a few people. But look at the responses you're getting. How can you convince all the world leaders to change if you can't convince a few people in the comments?
At some point you have to consider that you might be in the wrong. Admitting your mistakes makes you a better person and allows you to grow in character. I kindly ask you to consider that.
My guy, I'm going to finish this conversation here. I hope this was useful. Cheers!
The US spend a trillion on war each year
Did you even read what I wrote? Are you willfully ignoring the points that I made? God, how do you expect to get anywhere like this 🤦♂️