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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Im the same, I like socialism and the theory of communism is nice.

I don't like .ml users because they hardcore believe and spread the bastardized authoritarianism-based CCP/Russian propaganda version of communism.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Right. They're opposed to socialism and what the hold up as communism is actually Fascism with a heavy dose of State Capitalism.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What you're looking for is anarchism. Aka libertarian socialism.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Anarchism is a political philosophy and movement that is against all forms of authority and seeks to abolish the institutions it claims maintain unnecessary coercion and hierarchy, typically including the state and capitalism.

Um. No. I rather enjoy having a government, just a government that isn't corrupted by the rich and actually takes care of its people like it's supposed to. That inherently necessitates it having authority.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's not what the theory of communism aims for, but you do you.

Edit: to go in a bit more details, anarchism doesn't deny all authority, just authority gained by and used for coercion. A doctor would still have authority to recommend treatments, since they are more knowledgeable, for example. So that uncorrupted and caring government you want is simply a form of anarchism

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Either you're thinking of something else or you should go update Wikipedia then, because that's where I got that description from.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That description does not contradict my words. It says about abolishing coercion and hierarchy, not authority

Edit: I re-read your reply. Yes, the part about being "against all forms of authority" is not entirely accurate, but the second part is true nonetheless. I suppose you could rephrase my example with the doctor and call it an "expertise" instead of authority, but the concept of it is people would still defer to specialists in specific fields that have more knowledge and experience than them.

As I'm new to the anarchism myself and do not wish to misrepresent its values, I think this this site might give you a better in-depth look

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Anti-authoritarian is a word, so there's that.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Username checks out!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

It's extremely telling that you are relying on Wikipedia for your understanding of Communism, rather than Marx, Engels, etc. You should read theory, if you want to start I made an introductory Marxist reading list.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i like to think of anarchism as the educated brother to the miscarried libertarian-ism.

It's harsh, but i've never seen a libertarian make a good point, or understand anything remotely relevant to government, so.

I think anarchy, by the very nature of it's existence is more suited to handle the challenges presented by no government existing, notably, a new government being created. Because anarchy is most often following a government collapse, and followed by a new government being created.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's important to distinguish anarchy and anomie. The latter is the government collapse you mentioned, accompanied with lawlessness and lack of morals, while the former is simply lack of central overseeing authority (archism), for one reason or another.

The long term goal of anarchism is not destroying all governmental structures in one fell swoop, but rather gradually building communities based on liberty, solidarity and mutual help that don't require hierarchy or coercion to function.

Then those communities naturally take over governmental functions like protecting the people, the central government dissolves when it is no longer needed and the process doesn't harm anyone. No "new government" is created nor is necessary.

In terms of relationship between anarchism and libertarianism, I like to think of anarchists as a subset of libertarianists (since we all oppose authoritarianism fundamentally). I'll admit I'm not as familiar with other libertarian ideologies.