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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 63 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Eh, if he was a real random fall guy, they wouldn't have picked a rich handsome guy in his mid 20s.

Like, it's almost most definitely him...

But fuck the cops, fuck the wealthy, and fuck the healthcare industry. They need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt and all those groups are habitual liars.

So if I was on the jury, they'd need a lot of evidence and need to be able to explain how they got it. They used some illegal spy tech shit because it's a rich victim? Then all evidence gained after gets thrown out.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, and NYPD wouldn't have gone so far out of state so quickly. If I was trying to grab a fall guy as fast as possible, I would have picked up the nearest criminal I knew that looked vaguely like him and might have had motive.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

wouldn’t have gone so far out of state so quickly

Nah, that part I get, they knew shooter came in on a bus, so they grab someone on a bus.

The gun, silencer, and manifesto could have been from the central park bag.

It'd just be crazy they wrapped the one guy on a Greyhound bus with generational wealth.

His best defense is pushing that angle, the "but how did you find me?"

Like, this part has barely been mentioned:

Authorities said a customer in the restaurant thought he matched the description of the suspect in Thompson's killing and notified an employee, who called 911.

https://www.newsweek.com/mcdonalds-worker-luigi-mangione-private-security-1999217

To me it's more likely that customer was a fed or law enforcement, they already knew he was there, they just needed a legal way to act on that. There's been a big push to put all the blame on the fast food worker, but I have a feeling stuff like that would have kept happening and may not even have been the first person told.

It's no "jet fuel can't melt steel beams", but you could build a legal defense on this that results in all charges thrown out.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No doubt all kinds of face recognition NSA spy shit without a warrant

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

They don't need facial recognition, there's gait recognition that's just as good.

However I don't think that's what it was because Luigi's back issues would have introduced variations in gait that make it much harder.

It's 2024 bro....

That's all stuff we knew about 20 years ago, I think what they used is something we can't even guess at. Once we find out it'll sound like common sense like gait recognition and savvier criminals will account for it by doing things like wearing different sized shoes or even putting tacks in their shoes.

But until people know what's being used, they can't beat it reliably, which is why they do these parallel investigations to hide how they really do it (only applicable when one of the elites are victims).

[–] SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I suspect the Ministry of Silly Walks will start receiving a lot of new grant requests soon if you're correct about gait recognition being used in this case.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's not saying they used gait recognition, he's saying they probably used something high-tech that no one has heard of. The public has know about gait analysis, voice analysis, handwriting analysis, etc for a long time.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The public doesn't know about gait analysis.

I don't think this is any real secret squirrel shit, I think it they're just trying to conceal the identity of the person who made the tip.

Which is understandable, I'm sure if they were identified they'd get death threats.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You don't know about gait analysis. A quick search would show you its not "squirrel shit." Lots of research papers are available from the past 10+ years about using it for surveillance, and there's even a wiki page.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know about gait analysis. If you go talk to people on the street, they won't.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

That's not what I meant when I said the public knows.

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

There's another case I have a strong suspicion about. Some "random guy at the bar" tipped off the FBI about a guy they've been watching for years. They claim they printed out the picture matching the name/description and the agent recognised him immediately as someone he had questioned once and snapped him up. Was one of those guys planning to blow shit up but I don't get why they couldn't get a fucking warrant for that.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

they wouldn't have picked a rich handsome guy in his mid 20s.

Why not? Luigi Mangione is closer to pleb status than billionaire status. He's not in the class that the police protect, why would they have any qualms about framing him?