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[–] kalpol@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I'm still pushing a ten year old PC with an FX-8350 and a 1060. Works fine.

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I didn't think of my computer as old until I saw your comment with ten years and it's gpu in the same sentence. When did that happen??

[–] Liz@midwest.social 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We reached the physical limits of silicon transistors. Speed is determined by transistor size (to a first approximation) and we just can't make them any smaller without running into problems we're essentially unable to solve thanks to physics. The next time computers get faster will involve some sort of fundamental material or architecture change. We've actually made fundamental changes to chip design a couple of times already, but they were "hidden" by the smooth improvement in speed/power/efficiency that they slotted into at the time.

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My 4 year old work laptop had a quad core CPU. The replacement laptop issued to me this year has a 20-core cpu. The architecture change has already happened.

[–] hraegsvelmir@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure that's really the sort of architectural change that was intended. It's not fundamentally altering the chips in a way that makes them more powerful, just packing more in the system to raise its overall capabilities. It's like claiming you had found a new way to make a bulletproof vest twice as effective, by doubling the thickness of the material, when I think the original comment is talking about something more akin to something like finding a new base material or altering the weave/physical construction to make it weigh less, while providing the same stopping power, which is quite a different challenge.

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Except the 20 core laptop I have draws the same wattage as the previous one, so to go back to your bulletproof vest analogy, it's like doubling the stopping power by adding more plates, except the all the new plates weigh the same as and take up the same space as all the old plates.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 3 points 3 days ago

A lot of the efficiency gains in the last few years are from better chip design in the sense that they're improving their on-chip algorithms and improving how to CPU decides to cut power to various components. The easy example is to look at how much more power efficient an ARM-based processor is compared to an equivalent x86-based processor. The fundamental set of processes designed into the chip are based on those instruction set standards (ARM vs x86) and that in and of itself contributes to power efficiency. I believe RISC-V is also supposed to be a more efficient instruction set.

Since the speed of the processor is limited by how far the electrons have to travel, miniaturization is really the key to single-core processor speed. There has still been some recent success in miniaturizing the chip's physical components, but not much. The current generation of CPUs have to deal with errors caused by quantum tunneling, and the smaller you make them, the worse it gets. It's been a while since I've learned about chip design, but I do know that we'll have to make a fundamental chip "construction" change if we want faster single-core speeds. E.G. at one point, power was delivered to the chip components on the same plane as the chip itself, but that was running into density and power (thermal?) limits, so someone invented backside power delivery and chips kept on getting smaller. These days, the smallest features on a chip are maybe 4 dozen atoms wide.

I should also say, there's not the same kind of pressure to get single-core speeds higher and higher like there used to be. These days, pretty much any chip can run fast enough to handle most users' needs without issue. There's only so many operations per second needed to run a web browser.

[–] kalpol@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I think I added the 1060 later if that helps :D

[–] polyduekes@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i am also using ~10 year old pc but mine is kinda lower end compared to yours

[–] WordBox@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Genuine curiosity... Why BSD?

Also... There were significant improvements with intel Sandy bridge (2xxx series) and parent is using an equivalent to that. Sandy+ (op seems to be haswell or ivy bridge) is truly the mark of -does everything-.... I've only bothered to upgrade because of CPU hungry sim games that eat cores.

[–] polyduekes@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] polyduekes@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

besides that linux just doesn't support my hardware, in all the distros in all the kernels heck even live arch iso there is this weird issue where the pc randomly freezes with those weird screen glitches randomly and the only option to make it work again is force hard reboot

[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fine for what? Youtube? That cpu had poor performance even when it was released.

[–] kalpol@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lol what? No it didn't. It just runs really hot.

[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

Yes, it did. It cost more and performed worse (in some cases 30% worse) than an i5 3470.

[–] spookex@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My trusty backup is still an FX8320, the main is an I7-8700k with 1070ti

[–] kalpol@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

And it keeps you warm during cold snaps!