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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And? Do you think Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken saved even one drop of blood by giving Nettanyahu very stern disapproving looks as they handed him more and more bombs? If Biden tacitly approved of the genocide in Gaza, do you think there'd be a meaningful distinction between what things look like now?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, but they probably did by not explicitly telling them to finish the job and giving them free reign to destroy every Palestinian.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Do you really believe that? Nettanyahu has showed at every turn that he respects Biden about as much as some dog shit he stepped in. The Biden administration got rug pulled on peace/ceasefire talks by Israel, what, five times that we know of? And they just kept coming back, like Charlie Brown, convinced they surely wouldn't yank the football away this time. I think that Nettanyahu doesn't even consider Biden at all.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Yes. Trump, during his previous term, moved the US Israel embassy to Jerusalem, which implies Israel owns it, rather than the shared control its supposed to have. That's just one example of how Trump had already moved the US towards full support of Israel's goals over Palestine.

Do I think Biden or Harris would stop them? No. Do I think Trump is going to do everything he can to empower them? Yes. He's already done some of this and I'm sure it will continue now, as he's indicated it would. You'd really have to shive your head in the sand to not see it coming.

[–] techt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I think the distinction here is a Harris presidency would at least pretend to if not actually put effort toward resolving the conflict with less bloodshed because some of the Democrat base wants that, even if it's only symbolic and maintains the status quo and of Israel as a "strategic partner/asset". Blinken was just on NPR explaining where their efforts have been directed (surrounded by non-answers, take it as you will), not taking into account how effective they were. We can fully expect a Trump admin to encourage Bibi's efforts at rejecting a two-state solution or any kind of Palestinian sovereignty, and make it even harder to end the conflict in the future because Bibi wants to drag out the suffering as long as possible because that's a key reason he's in power. This is how I interpret it, and I believe any kind of equivalency between the two is overly cynical, which you can feel free to disagree with. If Trump's admin somehow has a part in ending the conflict, I'd be surprised if any Palestinians make it out on the other side, and they'll tout that as a win.