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from #NewYorkTimes #NYT
[Bias alert - #NYT usually favors Israel]

By Hiba Yazbek, Abu Bakr Bashir, and Lara Jakes
Jan. 8, 2025 Updated 1:19 p.m. ET

https://archive.ph/mNW2O

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

You can stop putting words in my mouth, thank you very much. That "you", "you lot" that shows up in every one of these comments is carrying an awful lot of water.

I want Palestine to be free. I want Ukraine to be free too. But I have to be realistic about the fact that one side could maybe be reasoned with, and the other one actively wants to nuke the entire situation as well as nuke trans people, gay people, disabled people, brown people, black people, poor people..... so enjoy that moral high ground while it lasts, I guess.

[–] WrittenInRed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

I mean agreed that one option was way worse, but the issue with that logic is what can we use as leverage in attempting to get the Democratic Party to stop funding Israel? The power people as a collective have over politicians/governments is in numbers, and voting is the easiest of the available ways to use those numbers. Protesting a party outside of their convention and then turning around to vote for them means that the protest was an empty threat.

The same thing is kinda true for any protest sine Trump was elected too. As long as the Republican party exists in it's current state the Democrats can use them as a threat against their voters because "the alternative is so much worse," and then use that as a reason to ignore their base. I can't really see a situation where Kamala/the Democrats would have done something until it was too late, so in 4 years the Palestine would probably look about the same whether it was Trump or not.

And neither party is innocent from leading us into this mess. Even if Trump lost this election, Biden had 4 years, 2 of which had a Democrat majority, to do basically anything to stop Trump and largely squandered it. Plus a big thing Kamala ran on was being the same as or more conservative than Biden on a lot of things. The system that birthed Trump and MAGA won't just go away without actual change being fought for by the Democrats, and neither Biden nor Harris really tried to do that.

The Democrats can't keep treating entire groups like the LGBTQ+ community, racial minorities, or people in extreme poverty as hostages to try and drive up their voting numbers. Not only does it clearly not work, but doing so doesn't make them that much better than the Republicans since they keep enabling them in the first place by not actually doing anything.

All this being said I did vote for Harris, but blaming Trump winning on Democratic voters or people criticizing the DNC/Biden/Harris is misguided and honestly a bit harmful. It isn't supposed to be a voters job to blindly support a party or politician. The government is supposed to support and represent its citizens. Reversing that relationship by blaming voters for Harris losing is beneficial to to Republican party since it means the DNC will continue running completely as is and continue losing elections they should have an easy time winning.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can stop putting words in my mouth, thank you very much.

Did you not just post this?:

“reee i won’t vote for harris because gaza genocide!!1!1” users on lemmy suspiciously silent now

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 16 hours ago

How dare you use their words against them! What are you, a Russian?!

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I want Palestine to be free. I want Ukraine to be free too.

Just not enough to stop carrying water for the people who have been shoveling weapons to be used in the genocide in Gaza. Bringing up Ukraine like I'm some Russian who will object is low. We should have been focusing on Ukraine and telling Netanyahu to get bent.

But I have to be realistic about the fact that one side could maybe be reasoned with,

Pelosi, the ossified center of party leadership, was calling people who wanted us to stop our support for genocide "Russians" just like every pro-genocide centrist on lemmy. There is no reasoning with the genocidal.

and the other one actively wants to nuke the entire situation as well as nuke trans people

After they ran anti-trans hate in their own ads and spat in every trans person's eye with the recent military spending bill, you don't get to pretend Democrats aren't itching to abandon trans people.

Democrats think solidarity is when you vote for us and we... ask you for money.

so enjoy that moral high ground while it lasts, I guess.

It beats framing cowardice as morality.

Republicans had no business supporting genocide, let alone Democrats.