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That’s just a lack of data points and not a system constructed by anyone. The data points should be increasing naturally.

But why is the data lacking in the first place?

That’s capitalism’s fault. Poor white kids would face the same issues.

True, but that's not what the discussion was about. Black kids are disproportionately poorer than white kids, and that's because they inherited inequalities from the past, which came about because of slavery and systematic racism.

It’d be awesome if we can just solve language barriers generally. Before we can do that having a single official language in working situations seems to be not avoidable for productivity

What you are suggesting is a lingua franca, which is already the norm in multilingual countries. That's quite different from having a colonial language dominating over the others.

Is this happening

There are a bunch of articles about it. Here's one about it in general

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/technology/artificial-intelligence-google-bias.html

And one with a few examples of ai used in criminal justice

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/5-algorithms-that-demonstrate-artificial-intelligence-bias/

Is this happening?

https://lemmy.world/post/3768607

More badly trained AI.

The solution are extra English lessons for both the kids and the parents, and financial support so that the parents can afford the time to learn English at these classes

When you have to pick a language to teach in, isn’t this the best language to teach in though, in a predominantly English speaking society?

And how did that society become predominantly English speaking? You just highlighted the point OOP was making.

English (and French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc) became dominant by pushing the native languages on the brink of extinction through systematic racism. So now that the damage is done, instead of fixing it, we just carry on and deny kids the right to receive an education in their native language? (Speeding up the rate of extinction)

People are still fighting welsh in schools

Poverty: Same thing for any people of any race the most important part is their ability to get an education that’ll get them out of it while having stability, slavery has nothing to do with it.

Whataboutism. Black people are poor exactly because they descend from slaves. When the slaves got freed, most of them were destined to poverty, and poverty is inherited under capitalism.

Australia: I live in Australia what are you talking about?!

About all the aboriginals that went through genocide, both physically and culturally, for about 200 years?

Of course schools teach in the language of the country they are in do you expect them to teach in 5 different languages?!

Yes, monolingual countries are mostly a thing only in the western world. Most of the world is multilingual, and it has been for most of human history. And there's a big difference between having a lingua franca and being dominated by a colonial language.

And yet black people only make up 7% of med school matriculants. Given that roughly 14% of the us population is black, this indicates a systemic issue preventing black people from achieving a level of educetion to even apply to med school.

Meanwhile, white people have entry rates as expected for their proportion of the general population, and asian applicants have entry rates twice what you would expect: 12% of the population is taking 22% of the seats.

These numbers are American, but thats also the country where "diversity quotas" are an issue. What we can see from the outcomes is that the opportunity is given out unequally from the very beginning, and thus even with an entrance process with a bias towards black people, the system as a whole is so biased against black people that half as many are able to participate

Of course schools teach in the language of the country they are in do you expect them to teach in 5 different languages?!

Over here we have schools which teach completely in Danish and hand out both German and Danish graduation papers, we have schools offering native-level classes in Frisian... Frisians don't really care about more they've always been bilingual. Even more so our Sinti, they don't want to see the language in schools at all but teach it inside the family, they've also always been bilingual. Frankly speaking we're doing more for our autochthone minorities language-wise than we do for ourselves, which would be protecting Low Saxon against the steady onslaught of Standard German.

But, no, we won't start teaching whatever Portuguese just because you arrived here recently and speak Portuguese. Best results are achieved when kids learn the majority language in kindergarten, on the playground, in school, while still speaking their parent's native language at home as that ensures that they're learning both languages properly. It's a matter of experience: Back in the 60s Turkish parents were told to speak German with their kids at home and the result was that the kids learned broken German and their Turkish sucks. That's not just a matter of not knowing those two languages properly as they never learned any languages properly there's measurable developmental delays.

Transposing that to America you should have plenty of schools teaching in native languages. Of course don't mandate everything being taught like that as that would segregate minorities, but things like maths in English and history in Lakota or whatever make perfect sense.

Circling back to black folks: It's high time AAVE is recognised as a proper variety of English. None of that "you're doing grammar wrong", or (in courts) "we'll pretend that you speak Standard English thus not provide a translator, then misunderstand you (tenses and aspects be hard) and lock you up based on that". If a decent number of your students speak AAVE natively it'd also be high time to teach its grammar on a native level, that can happen in ordinary English classes it's, after all, English.

So facial recognition doesn’t work on black people but ai facial recognition can discriminate against them?

Bias in data is always a problem. Take me: I have legs. I'm a man. Supposedly, when I buy trousers made for men they should fit me but all the data that clothing designers have seems to indicate all men are storks so I have to buy trousers for overweight people and then hem ass and waist. And I don't even fucking work out. Soap dispenser doesn't work for you because noone ever bothered to test it on black skin? Same shit just affecting a historically oppressed minority. Personally I wouldn't even call it an issue as it tends to get sorted out very quickly once the bias is spotted, unlike my issue which noone seems to care about because y'all are fucking storks.

As to the police thing: No it's really an issue in the US and it's not systemic racism it's plain racism. Policy makers know all too well that overpolicing breeds crime yet they do it and then say "we need to overpolice even more because black people do so much crime".