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In the interest of not rekindling old struggle sessions, what does everything think about a sort of wiki where the "party line(s)" are laid out clearly? This might help with signal/noise ratio and bad faith (and even good faith, but misdirected) accusations. You can also accumulate agitprop and evidence to support said party line.
Maybe the prolewiki people wouldn't mind helping us set that up?
Sounds nice, but the issue (for me at least) hasn't really been lack of knowledge of site rules, but inconsistent enforcement. The rules are written out pretty clearly, but if some moderator disagrees with me then I might get my comment removed for whatever reason, while their friend can threaten to curb stomp me, accuse me of havin 70 transphobic alt accounts and be fine. Pointing this out is then toxic behaviour. Sorry, I am a bit bitter.
It wasn't supposed to have anything to do with site rules per se. I think just about every last one of us here would always like to become better informed and hold opinions that we have come to more thoughtfully. It's about that, moderation of the site is something else entirely.
I also want to know what went down in all these struggle sessions I always miss without having to comb through the modlog back and forth to peace it together honestly. I just want to know what was decided
Oh then that sounds very cool. I think I suggested something similar to it then
I would happily support anyone that chooses to do that but I personally don't have the capability to start or manage such a project, and to be honest who am i to say what the party line is. The news mega crew is smarter and more well-read than me by 10x
The ADHD urge to start a new project.
Teach the controversy!
I think I like this idea. We already have the Code of Conduct, which goes over rules and a "line" to a certain extent, but I feel like it would be great to have either a whole section or a completely separate document dedicated to a detailed "line". I think this hypothetical document/section, as well as the rest of the code of conduct itself, needs to be regularly updated, or at least gone over, with the dates of both edits and reviews kept track of. This could also make it so when struggle sessions occur, they are productive. Ideas that go against the "line"/COC would have to have a good reason to override the existing line, and it would make it so that the line could be easier improved. With that last part, something that comes to mind are the recent struggle sessions about fatphobia. A stance against fatphobia is something that should exist, either in the Code of Conduct, the hypothetical "line", or both, but it currently doesn't.
CoC has not been updated in quite a while. I would like to see a thread asking for suggestions for changes (I know this will be a struggle session).
Interesting idea I'll put it in the proposals to make sure it doesn't get lost, thank you
I've had this thought before. The hard part is getting people to use it. It would be great of the Lemmy platform had a built-in wiki but it doesn't. Every time this comes up I link to the slrpnk doku wiki implementation: https://f-hub.org/Solarpunk/dokuwiki-auth-lemmy
Honestly they have cool integrations that all of Lemmy could benefit from.
They also do xmpp chat integration. https://wiki.f-hub.org/books/slrpnknet/page/xmpp-chat-integration
Matrix is cool and everything but not needing to onboard people to these external tools means they will get way more traction.
That's very cool! The solarpunk people are doing a great job what a lot of stuff. Do they actively hate us over there?
I'm pretty sure they defederated from us unfortunately.
Edit: and its good they did https://slrpnk.net/post/17369515 big lib energy over there.