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I hope all the people that refused to vote democrat over the Palestinian genocide take full responsibility and ownership for everything that follows with Trump's foreign policy. They approved of and enabled this.
Trump was always at least as enthusiastic for the genocide as Biden.
Trump Says He Would Let Netanyahu Finish the Job in Gaza, Says 'Biden Is So Bad for Israel'
https://archive.is/3B6xq
Which is why the dickheads who enabled him (but claimed to support Palestine ) are dickheads
But didn't you hear! Trump single-handedly managed to get a ceasefire deal with Israel and HAMAS signed.
Clearly something Genocide Joe refused to do!
(The Biden administration have been working on a ceasefire deal for months. Now the elections in the West are over, there is no need for the war to continue.)
Narrator: They would not take responsibility for their actions nor acknowledge their complicity in furthering human suffering. In fact, they would use their experience in mental gymnastics honed in defending their patronage of Chick-fil-A, Hobby Lobby, and that local coffee shop that advertises that they specifically don't use fair trade beans and whose owner cruises around town in a replica of the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard, adorned with a bumper sticker that reads:
They won't.
You're gonna see something like "Joe was nowhere near as bad but still imperfect so we either begged for or allowed Trump to happen to pwn the Dems".
Somehow, to them, that means it's still Biden's fault for their voting for Trump.
I see the democrats are still blaming everyone but themselves for 20mill of them staying home.
Nope. There was no genocide-free option. The Democratic Party failed catastrophically; it’s on them, not those who abstained from voting for garbage vs garbage.
Expecting voters to just pick the lesser of two evils forever is how we allow the rich and those with a big platform to slowly shift both parties’ politics in their favour. Some people see this zero-sum game for what it is and refuse to partake (vote). The only way to fix this at this point is by revolting.
Soo... Are you gonna help cause a revolt?
They'll quibble about some minor aspect of messaging and will stay home.
I am not American or in the USA, so no.
But we have had a pretty similar experience with the 2 dominant political parties here in the UK, albeit to a smaller extent. I cancelled my Labour Party membership back in 2019, when I realised they'd rebranded from actually representing working people, to just being the Tories sugarcoated in red. They are not a viable alternative to the Tories, and neither offer the much-needed change our declining society needs.
Thankfully, we do have other parties on our ballots, so I didn't have to abstain, and voted Lib Dem last year. But if we did have a strict two-party system, and that was the state of it, you can bet that I wouldn't bother with the ballot and would be out demonstrating on the streets.
Yeah, the Red Tory label was used just like Genocide Joe over here to suppress the vote among those incapable of making nuanced decisions. And it worked here in the UK just as well as it did in the US.
Except that we currently have a Labour Government? Did you also miss the part where I said I voted anyway?
I don't have to vote for anyone I don't agree with. I also don't have to pick "the lesser of 2/3/4/whatever evils" because, to me, that is falling for the oligarchs' trap. If you want to get mad at somebody, get mad at those who voted for the Tories here, or the Republicans in the US. They're to blame, not the left who are divided by the fact that nobody in politics wants to represent their collective interests.
Frankly, if you think that I am morally compelled to vote for Labour, even when I disagree with their fascist rhetoric, then you are licking the boots of a broken institution.
Indeed, they want us to think it's a left vs right situation so that we're busy fighting ourselves when really it's the oligarchy vs the people. We need to stop being distracted by the circus.
Great, what's your next excuse for not deciding?
Rioting, instead of voting for one of both agents planted by the oligarchs. The illusion of democracy really isn't worth defending to the death like this.
Why are you so angry at another leftist? Save some of that for the literal MAGAs.
Yeah you cant expect people to vote for the lesser evil 3 times in a row. The democrats won and had 4 years to enact drastic enough changes to not be called "the lesser evil" anymore, but they didnt. Now they have to deal with the consequences of their own inaction.
There's no possibility of democracy delivering perfect candidates. So you are always going to be voting for the lesser evil if you expect a candidate to be elected. But that's fine, don't participate, it might pollute your pristine moral purity. Just stay the fuck out of the way when the time comes.
So you decided to vote for the greater evil to teach the lesser evil a lesson? That's a galaxy brain move there.
Before you decide to say something stupid about voting third party, in the reality we live in if you don't vote for major party candidate A you're helping major party candidate B win. It's not an ideal system, but unfortunately reality is often not ideal.
Who said im from the US? Im just observing their stupidity from the outside.
This is your fault if you didn't vote Harris.
I do not think it is fair to equate someone who abstained from voting due to dissatisfaction with both candidates to a literal MAGA who voted Trump. The latter are the ones who directly led to this outcome; the former just didn't help it.
Everyone knew that one of those two people would be president. It's not like we get a do-over with new candidates if enough people stay home. So deciding to stay home or vote third party means they are ok with this outcome rather than having Harris in office right now.
Yeah, that is fair.
That does not follow. If they voted for a third party, it's because they wanted the outcome in which that party won. Call it unrealistic, but it's not the voters' fault that democracy is broken, that elections in the US are effectively a two-party system (even when there are others on the ballot), and that there is no system of proportional representation.
As for the staying home case, it does not at all imply that they are OK with Trump winning – just that they refused to play the game altogether. I understand that your point is that the outcome is the same and therefore that the means do not justify the ends.
As you say, if more people voted Harris rather than stayed home, she could be president right now. What I don't agree on is that that is where the blame lies; there are a million good reasons to be disgruntled with the institution and not keep playing their game of "who's less awful?". Trump is president because of his MAGA cult/voters who put him there. If they didn't vote for him, he wouldn't be president. Blaming anyone else is not constructive, although ultimately, this is a philosophical difference, not a political one.
Suppose in the next election, Trump was up against someone who is somehow worse. I could not in good faith vote for either. There comes a point where picking the lesser of 2 evils is just falling for the trap, and you're not really picking anything. There not being any candidate to win over a significant portion of the population is a sign that democracy is compromised. That is deserving of anger and blame. You're supposed to vote for who you want, not vote tactically against who you don't want more. That can get old pretty fast.
Obligatory "I am not American and do not live in the USA"; just an observer from outside. If I were, I think that I would have voted Harris, albeit begrudgingly. I just don't expect everyone else on the fence to make that same choice.
What you're really saying here is that no one can expect you to anticipate the predictable realities you live amongst.