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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he's not Palestinian.

[–] neatchee@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Which sea and which river was that again? Is it perhaps some geography that categorically precludes the existence of Israel? Since, you know, from the river to the sea must be free, and I am pretty sure they don't mean "free, under Israeli governance"

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It's about Palestinian emancipation from Israeli Settlers Colonialism, from Apartheid. Zionism has been about the Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of the native Palestinians since the start. Partition was used to preemptively justify the Nakba. The 1967 occupation was used to justify expanding into the West Bank and Gaza and begin more settlements. I and many others support a One-State Solution, because it's a One-State Reality, one entrenched in Apartheid.

I am pretty sure they don't mean "free, under Israeli governance"

They do, but I'm not sure you understand the scope of brutality and violence Palestinians are subjugated to under Israel supremacy and Apartheid, and have been for generations.

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Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.

The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.

An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.

Peace Process and Solution

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades.

Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

(Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ).

The settlements have created hundreds of isolated bantustans within the West Bank, preventing any two-state solution that may have been possible before the Israeli occupation in 1967

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

Historian Works on the History

In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike.

Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video. It's seriously worth a watch

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 5 points 13 hours ago

My understanding was that the phrase "from the river to the sea" is associated with a "one-state-solution" to the conflict. The second link in the comment you're replying to goes into this more in depth, but it's not a new discussion: here's a piece from Edward Saïd in 1999.

A one state solution doesn't call for the genocide of Israelis. The equal and active participation of the Israeli people would be necessary for such a one state solution to work; you can't solve a genocide with more genocide.