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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but the fetus can eventually be used for slave labor, including the production of more slaves. The male chicks are more useful being shredded for cheap slave fodder. If we generate enough value for our masters in this way, they'll let us join them. Blessed be the fruit.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

be used for slave labor, including the production of more slaves.

That's the theory they had. Turns out humans don't breed that well in captivity. In practice the birth rate keeps dropping and is now way below replacement rates.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I know you're going for the joke, but it's way to close to why a lot of these people want to outlaw reproductive healthcare.

In reality, humans have more children in bad circumstances, and less when we're educated, have life options, don't need children to work as labor for the family, don't need them to provide for us when we get old, and have confidence that they'll survive.

In bad times we have a lot of children for better odds and more hands to do work, and in good times we have fewer to concentrate our resources on.

It's why they want to ban reproductive healthcare and tank the economy: in 20 years there'll be a wave of economic demand and labor supply. That the individual will be broke, have no future, and no education is irrelevant.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In bad times we have a lot of children for better odds and more hands to do work,

That used to be true until children were not allowed to work anymore. They're quietly trying to roll that child labor of course.

in 20 years there’ll be a wave of economic demand and labor supply.

By that time, people are competing against humanoid robots and office AI to see who can do the job the cheapest. Humans are in the end not going to win that race. Robots and AI are a bit silly now but are getting better and cheaper quickly. There will buy a lot of labor supply, but with most people in a trailer park trash existence there won't be that much demand.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We do still actually see that lower income households tend to have the highest birth rates, even in places where child labor is outlawed.

And I'm gonna disagree about the demand thing. People have demands from the base act of existing. Lower income people have proportionally higher demands. Their entire income is consumed and goes to other people. If you're looking for people to do economic activity and whatever tasks you need done by a human, low income people are usually incapable of seeking a life elsewhere, and quickly return any compensation they get to circulation near where they are.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Lower income households also have the highest mortality rates and shorter lifespan.

I´d argue higher income people spend money a lot more money on other things than the basics, like apparel, entertainment, travel, starbucks coffee, ... Entire industries disappear when people can´t afford the products or services. In times of crisis, people stop certain spending and you get all the restaurants, hotels, amusement parks, fancy shops and so on crying they don´t get as much business anymore and slowly start to go bust.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Turns out humans don't breed that well in captivity.

Depends on how broad your definition of captivity is 🤷

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In terms of economic system, they got us by the balls and are squeezing hard.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 17 hours ago

Yup, that's pretty much what I was alluding to.

When all of the things you need in order to live is made artificially scarce by a system you can't opt out of, that's a form of captivity if you ask me. And even if you don't.

[–] TseseJuer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

the earth is our cage, so pretty broad