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[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 52 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Let them get their raw milk then?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 41 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Kids shouldn't die because their parents are idiots.

[–] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Yes they should. Children of profound idiots don't DESERVE to die, but no one should be surprised when they eat lye or invest in 401k. Misunderstand eveything.

it's eugenics, but legal, why shouldn't we? Clearly letting them live up till now hasn't served them well.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

They might be kind of doomed anyway.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

The frightening thing is that there are a bunch of "YEAH! KILL THOSE KIDS!" people elsewhere in the thread.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

honestly im at a point politically, where i think that it needs to happen to be able to knock sense into people.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Thats it! Its not that we rejoice in their dead kids or some shit, but they just wont listen unless theyre personally effected

[–] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

I mean if they grow up to be MAGA…….

/s

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Pathogens don't care whether or not you spread them to other people who don't drink raw milk, I'm afraid.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 10 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

And people who care, actually do things like get vaccines, and believe doctors.

[–] mycelium_underground@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Unless they can't, some people are immunocompromised. The world is more complicated than you think, so try thinking instead of reacting.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Well, I get that. And at this point, I'm sicking of trying to keep people from setting the house on fire, while they are dousing themselves with gasoline.

[–] mycelium_underground@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You are living in the same house

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Don't even bother. They think you can vaccinate against bacteria. And they've doubled down on it three times now.

[–] alatha_thrythwynn@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-vaccines-do-protect-against-viral-infection-idUSKBN25O207/

Vaccines can be developed for bacterial or viral infections. As explained here the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), vaccines are used to prevent, rather than treat, infection, “working with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease.” Vaccines mimic an infection, causing the body to produce antibodies and defensive white blood cells, in order to help develop immunity.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

Several vaccines against extracellular bacteria have been developed in the past and are still used successfully today, e.g., vaccines against tetanus, pertussis, and diphtheria. However, while induction of antibody production is usually sufficient for protection against extracellular bacteria, vaccination against intracellular bacteria is much more difficult because effective defense against these pathogens requires T cell-mediated responses, particularly the activation of cytotoxic CD8+ T cells. These responses are usually not efficiently elicited by immunization with non-living whole cell antigens or subunit vaccines, so that other antigen delivery strategies are required.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9144739/

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There isn't an available bird flu vaccine that we could manufacture fast enough to make it available even if we started right now. This is assuming that they let us have it instead of telling us to tough it out and take some vitamin C.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

There are actually several already ready to go, just not done because... Well, Bird Flu hasn't made the jump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1_vaccine

And, as long as the civilize nations of the world keep doing the rational thing, they'll be able to limit the damage to just the US.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You didn't even read that, did you?

H5N1 continually mutates, meaning vaccines based on current samples of avian H5N1 cannot be depended upon to work in the case of a future pandemic of H5N1. While there can be some cross-protection against related flu strains, the best protection would be from a vaccine specifically produced for any future pandemic flu virus strain. Daniel R. Lucey, co-director of the Biohazardous Threats and Emerging Diseases graduate program at Georgetown University, has made this point, "There is no H5N1 pandemic so there can be no pandemic vaccine."[34] However, "pre-pandemic vaccines" have been created; are being refined and tested; and do have some promise both in furthering research and preparedness for the next pandemic.[35] Vaccine manufacturing companies are being funded to increase flexible capacity so that if a pandemic vaccine is needed, facilities will be available for rapid production of large amounts of a vaccine specific to a new pandemic strain.[36]

There is no guarantee that any "pre-pandemic" vaccines will work.

But then, you think you can vaccinate against bacteria...

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You can't vaccinate against pneumonia?

Lol, k.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

No. No you can't. Again, you really do not understand how any of this works. Pneumonia isn't even a cause, it's a symptom. I can be caused by fungi, viruses or bacteria. Saying you can vaccinate against pneumonia is like saying you can vaccinate against a runny nose. That's literally not how anything works.

But please do keep digging.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I know you're pretending that's the only cause of pneumonia, but you're wrong. You are listing a common cause of the symptom, far from the only cause.

Pneumonia is inflammation and fluid in your lungs caused by a bacterial, viral or fungal infection. It makes it difficult to breathe and can cause a fever and cough with yellow, green or bloody mucus. The flu, COVID-19 and pneumococcal disease are common causes of pneumonia. Treatment depends on the cause and severity of pneumonia.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/4471-pneumonia

Let me guess, you know better than they do.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus fucking christ.

Judt admit you were wrong about not being able to vaccinate against bacterial diseases.

Pneumonococcal vaccine vacinates against a bacteria responsible for the vast majority of pneumonia cases. Hence, it's name.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Sure, as soon as you admit you were wrong about pneumonia. Then we can both admit wrongess. But I doubt you will somehow.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Please tell me about the salmonella and e. coli vaccines.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno if we have them, because they are both only transmissible via tainted food or water. And, well, if you don't drink or eat tainted food, you wont really have to worry, now will you?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You don't know that you can't have a vaccine against bacteria?

Then maybe you're out of your depth here.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Pneumonococcal vaccine doesn't exist?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Dude, seriously stop digging. Vaccination is for viruses, not bacteria.

I get that you really love your raw milk, but that doesn't entitle you to just make shit up.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Bro...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumococcal_vaccine

And, no, I don't drink raw milk, because I'm not an idiot.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

"Bro," you thought pneumonia was a disease, not a symptom.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

I think that's their point. Just let them be adults and decide. I think overall it's a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else. What I don't understand is why the Democrats or people on the left haven't seen this stuff for what it is. Also there's no counter to this strategy. It's like a weird game theory situation where one group is knows game theory and the other side knows how to play checkers

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else.

That much is true. Its a proxy for industry de-regulation.

I'm all for people getting the raw milk they demand, because I hope it will lead to a quick demise.

[–] jkYkM7a@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Problem is, if they acquire a novel virus, they can basically send us into another pandemic.

This kind of crap hurts everyone.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly?

It would not be a bad thing, if that were to happen in the US. Then, we wouldn't be able to fuck over other countries, due to a severe lack of manpower.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Um, no thanks to that, thank you very much.

If you think something with a fatality rate of ~52% would be a good thing? Not sure what to do with that...and there is no fucking way something like that would stay within our borders in any case.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

I'd say the 52% likely overlaps greatly with the 49% that created the situation.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Adult implies mental competency.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The non raw milk people should market their milk on the carton with

Death and Disease Free

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Big Dairy would probably mark everything up, selling pasteurization as a premium feature.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The flu in general is great at swapping proteins with other strains many of which are extant in the population right now. Every human bird flu infection of which there are presently few is a chance for highly pathogenic bird flu to make a version that is more transmissible which might yet retain its present greater than covid lethality. If this happens millions could die among them the most vulnerable including the old and those with auto immune disorders. Most of these folks who would die don't themselves drink raw milk for obvious reasons.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Well, thankfully, civilized nations around the globe will be able to contain the damage to mostly just the fascist Imperial States of America.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

No they won't be able to. There is no tested and mass produced vaccine as of yet. There is no guarantee that a vaccine vs the present bird flu will work against what idiots brew up. Even if the experimental vaccines we have in the pipe are functional against the strain that emerges there is no reason to believe that everyone especially the poorer nations shall be able to manufacture enough fast enough to prevent widespread death.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Covid did have the silver lining of really jump-starting science and medicine in this regard. I shudder to think how the viciously stupid and hateful donvict administration will handle something like bird flu, even with these great tools we now have.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

There is not a chance of that happening.

People in America also thought that Covid was just something "over there" when it started in China, too. That's not how disease works.