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I like how it's somehow non-voters fault even though they made their position abundantly clear. They're literally one of the only groups I don't blame. They told everyone repeatedly that they wanted an end to US support for Israel's genocide. Biden didn't do anything, and Kamala made no significant promises to end it.
Obviously Trump wasn't going to end the genocide, but continue it. But the point was taking a principled stance against an administration that could do something and did virtually nothing. When your options are genocide or genocide, and that's your main issue at the polls, of course you won't vote.
Also you're the person yesterday who was lying saying there's no genocide in Israel. You never did reply to my comment after yours was removed.
Edit: If you blame non-voters as much as Trump voters then you're the problem in leftist politics. You're the reason why their is so little unity in leftist spaces. Rather than find your communities or protect your people, you lambaste non-voters and cause greater division. People that had very legitimate concerns about a very legitimate genocide. Maybe you should try and look at the bigger picture of how this happened. Instead of blaming people that were very clear from the very beginning about where they stand.
So they sat home and let the worst of the options take control.
They cant really say genocide is their biggest issue if all they did was make it worse. Because that is what they did.
Did they make it worse? Legitimately, what did Biden do to stop the genocide outside of claiming to stop sending bombs that his administration still sent anyways? Seems like it's the same as it ever was in terms of the genocide.
I have no idea how you can blame non-voters when Biden held all power and still did absolutely nothing for his or Kamala's campaign.
Removing sanctions, allowing the biggest bombs to be sent to Israel again, starting deportations of pro-palestine protestors
You have to be lying or must be blind if you don't think that's worse
Biden was still sending those bombs during their administration. So no, the genocide is pretty much as supplied as it ever was.
They made it worse because now its spilling over into the us.
Immigrants are being shipped to Guantanamo Bay, and trans folks are being erased from federal information.
And you ask, "How did they make it worse?"
What a stupid fucking thing to ask.
In regards to the Israeli genocide. Reading comprehension helps, so I'd use that if I were you. And what exactly did Biden do to stop Trump from doing literally any of this? He could have had Trump arrested and that would have been that since he's a president and it's an official act.
Then, when he was polling terribly after his first debate, he forced Kamala to be the only option for the Dems. The Democratic party didn't even have a democratic primary. And somehow this is voters fault?
And what safeguards did Biden/Dems put into place to protect immigrants or trans people huh? Oh that's right, absolutely fucking nothing. Because they don't care about trans people or immigrants, they're just talking points for Dems.
You can blame people with principles all you want. But Biden did nothing about Trump for 4 years. Everything that's about to happen is on him. And in the future his name will be spoken in the same way that James Buchanan is.
Here ill ask you a simple question, that might put it into perspective.
What did you do to stop donald trump and the rising tide of fascism?
You're turning this whole conversation into this weird fucking purity test. Meanwhile you're either too blind or stupid to see that fascism has been here in the US. I've done protests, I've done voting, I've donated to causes that are anti-thetical to Trump and his laws. And guess what? Fascism is still here. Want to know why? Because none of that fucking does anything under a fascist government.
Because guess what? Fascism isn't something you can vote out. Anyone that knows about the history of fascism knows that.
At a certain point, you just threw your hands up and stayed at home.
Congratulations.
And you went out and achieved nothing at all. Because you were too bothered about how people voted over bringing your community together for when fascism finally came to your door.
Why aren't you asking this of your elected officials with all the power to do this instead of some random person online? How ridiculous.
Harris and Biden chose to protect Israel over protecting the US and now we're all paying for it.
We know what they did, the answer is not enough. Anyone with half a brain knows that answer.
Now answer the question, what did you do?
The non-voters are just as culpable as directly voting for Trump.
They were so concerned about a genocide in another country that wasn't going to change regardless of the election outcome, they ushered in genocide to our own country.
They are not. And this is an excuse to take responsibility from Biden and his administration. Trump should be in prison But Biden's administration was the one tasked with doing that and did fuck all. Even when the Supreme Court gave him absolute power to do anything as president, he still didn't bother to arrest Trump.
Democrats in power don't actually give a shit about the issues they pretend. And those that would vote for them are tired of excuses.
Republicans have been working toward this current result for years - sowing doubt in journalism, disenfranchising voters that they know are unlikely to vote for them, stacking courts so they can counter the inevitable legal pushback. Democrats failed to stop this, but blaming them for these issues is disingenuous - they didn't design this mess.
You're in a car heading toward a cliff, complaining that nobody has pulled the emergency brake. Yet the driver, whose foot is firmly planted on the accelerator, who fights anybody else who tries to touch the controls, is absolved of responsibility.
To clarify - the "driver" isn't merely Trump, but the result of the practices stated in the first paragraph. Any suitable puppet would have worked. The system has been rigged, and it isn't the Democrats who did it.
This car has been heading towards that cliff for 8+ years now. Meanwhile I, and every other voter and non-voter are in the trunk. Unable to do anything outside of shout from the trunk what we want. Short of breaking free there's nothing that can be done. Those that can actually stop the car won't bother.
They are. We all knew the dangers of Trump getting back into the Whitehouse. It hasn't even been 2 weeks and he's already well on his way to a fascist takeover of the government.
If you really thought that not voting was helping Palestinians at all, you're really fucking stupid and actually made things much worse for them.
The Israeli genocide is awful, but it wasn't even in the top ten major issues facing our country.
Again, if Palestine was your single issue that caused you not to vote, you're a moron and in every way as culpable for the damage he does as his supporters.
Erroneously passing the buck onto principled non-voters doesn't address Biden or Democrats inability to do anything during their tenure about Trump. And as of right now the Israeli genocide is as armed now as before Biden was in office. You can look at my other comments for sources.
You can feel however you want. But ultimately those with power failed you. And if you thought voting was going to save the US you're incredibly naive. The fascist streak in the US was never going to end with Trump. What we're seeing now is horrifically inevitable. Simply because those in power did nothing to stop it.
All of that was irrelevant at election time. The only thing that would stop Trump at that point was voting for his only viable opponent.
Yes, the Biden administration failed to do their job and stop Trump, but the American people did the same thing.
This isn't a zero sum game. Biden is culpable, and the people who didn't vote for Harris are culpable. They aren't mutually exclusive.
And I'm telling you, yet again, non-voters are in no way culpable. It was Biden's job, and then Kamala's job to gain voters. And they both did so terrible we ended up with Trump again. And again, if you think voting will save the US from fascism you're incredibly naive.
Also, it was never irrelevant. Again, the Supreme Court gave Biden immense power through their official acts ruling. He did absolutely nothing with it. He could have thrown Trump in prison and said tough shit. But he didn't, and now we have Trump again.
In this argument, it's your job to convince me. You didn't. Therefore, you failed at this argument. Accept that failure, or accept that this logic is fucking circular.
K.
You are supremely ignorant as to how the us government functions.
Do you think the conservative controlled government would have declared biden throwing trump in prison an official act?
Disingenuous fuck.
Conservatives wouldn't let Trump be put rightfully in prison according to you. And I'm supposed to believe voting actually does anything?
You're incredibly naive and ignorant
Jesus, you really are dumb as shit.
You believe voting works against fascism. Your opinion is irrelevant to me.
You believe not trying all available avenues is the best option.
I guess you're one of the culpable morons who didn't vote.
Again, both Biden and the voters are responsible for Trump being in power. Stop trying to pretend that not voting was some noble action. It wasn't. It directly led to trump being the president.
Also, the democrats running a bad campaign is a monumentally stupid excuse for ushering in fascism.
It was objectively noble, it didn't support genocide. Meanwhile democrats did nothing to stop fascism or genocide and I'm supposed to blame non-voters for this? You all think voting would magically save us. As if it wouldn't just be another 4 years before the next "biggest election of our lifetimes."
Also, just like where you're placing your blame, your assumption is wrong.
Keep drinking that copium.
Yes, you're supposed to blame non-voters for this. There's enough of them that Trump would have lost if they voted.
Again, if your single issue was the Palestinian genocide, you're not noble, you're an idiot, and not voting was directly supporting the eradication of all Palestinians.
And guess what? They'll never get to vote again. This was the most important election in the history of the country, because the American people voted to end the USA, or just sat quietly and let it happen.
Voting either way was supporting the eradication of Palestinians. That's the point your thick skull can't comprehend. Again, this was inevitable because of democrats and people like you that stoke leftists division.
Maybe you should focus on actually connecting with your community and organzing. Rather than trying to assign blame where there isn't any.