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[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"We need to be fighting nepotism, not implementing DEI policies that replace one form of favoritism with another"

Sure, except no DEI policy worth its salt ever does that. Day 1 on the job in actual DEI, the difference between tokenism and inclusion is taught, and a policy or practice where unqualified people are put in positions solely because of their identity are not DEI policies.

It's about giving equal access and opportunity to equally qualified diverse candidates that, because of systemic biases and obstacles, they wouldn't have had access to.

Saying "we need a guy on a wheelchair in the legal team, to look good, so hire this guy without a law degree" is dumb tokenism.

Saying "hey now that we don't do 'jog-and-talk' interviews on the 14th floor of a building without an elevator, we were able to interview and hire Joe, a great lawyer in a wheelchair" is implementing a basic DEI change.

Decently done DEI is about making it easier to select the most qualified talent from a qualified, talented and diverse slate of candidates.

NOTE: I don't think you seemed to disagree with the above, it was just funny to me that you started highlighting the false dilemma, then articulated another one :)

[–] Wisas62@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Your statement is not based on fact. The DEI created metrics that federal employment and federal contractors were required to meet related to DEI.

it's more on the lines of, one of the women quit so we can only interview women because otherwise we won't meet our required diversity goal.

Your statement is the dream goal and not the actual case.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Please just stop. It is explicitly illegal to hire based on any quota in the federal government or for federal contractors.

https://www.huschblackwell.com/newsandinsights/ofccp-investigates-companies-for-diversity-hiring-plans

The point of affirmative action is to hire so that the composition of a contractor’s workforce reflects, over time, the composition of qualified workers in the relevant labor market from which applicants are recruited and selected.

This just boils down to if there are women and minorities in the field they should be considered instead of just white males.

I am really getting sick of all the DEI propaganda. Jesus Christ, I am a hiring manager and I have taken multiple DEI trainings. There are no quotas and the entire point is to get an average hiring manager, which are mostly white males, to consider hiring someone different than themselves.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

I see no facts in your statement either.

And just because something is difficult to achieve automatically means it's wrong to try?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I’m sure this happens but isn’t it just gaming the system, rather than taking the goal seriously?

It’s exactly like the claim that standardized testing tends to make schools teach to the test rather than teach the subject. Yeah, it happens but it’s not the goal nor what must teachers want to do. It’s a failure at the policy level or a failure of the metrics that creates pressure to game the system