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They also didn't seed,

Supposedly, Meta tried to conceal the seeding by not using Facebook servers while downloading the dataset to "avoid" the "risk" of anyone "tracing back the seeder/downloader" from Facebook servers, an internal message from Meta researcher Frank Zhang said, while describing the work as in "stealth mode." Meta also allegedly modified settings "so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur," a Meta executive in charge of project management, Michael Clark, said in a deposition.

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[–] dead@hexbear.net 24 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

I know what you are saying and you have to also consider fair use. For example, many people on youtube use clips from movies that they pirated in videos that they made for money. I'm not a lawyer.

My point is that it's really hard to get arrested for copyright infringement unless you're like selling bootleg DVDs on the side of the road.

If you did the same thing as Facebook, where you downloaded a bunch of books and fed it into an AI and somehow made money that way, without distributing exact copies of the book. I still doubt you would be arrested.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 34 points 18 hours ago

My professors aren't allowed to upload more than 20% of a selected publication or else they get fired, even if the reading is like 20 years old.

Copyright law only exists to punish the working class and rob artists of their work.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Regular people are getting fined like $20K per infringement for downloading copyrighted material. 81.7 TB of data is a heck of a lot of numbers of infringements, especially where it's clear it's being used for profit

[–] dead@hexbear.net 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That's just not true. You made that up. If people were getting fined $20k per infringement, piracy would be much less common and you'd see it on the news all the time. Piracy laws in the US are very loose. Most people have pirated books or music or movies or games. Most people have not been fined for it.

Here's how piracy is "prosecuted" in the US in most cases. Copyright holders hire a "troll agency" to monitor public peer-to-peer filesharing of their content. The troll agency records IP addresses of the file sharers. The troll agency then sends threatening emails to the ISPs of the file sharers. In many circumstances, the ISP just deletes the threatening email without even telling you. Sometimes the ISP forwards the email to you. You are not obligated to respond to the email. In order to be "fined" for infringement, the copyright holder has to actually take you to court and prove that you infringed the copyright, which is very difficult to prove.

And if you use a VPN, they would never even find your ISP.

Here's an article from last month describing how RIAA and MPAA uses troll agencies to threaten ISPs.

https://torrentfreak.com/eff-sides-with-cox-to-protect-piracy-accused-internet-users-from-copyright-trolls-250109/

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Under the law, people can actually be charged up to $150,000 per infringement. In reality, it is in the $10k to $20k per infringement range, but I don't think this happens much anymore. There were a bunch of lawsuits 10-15 years ago.

For example: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/sep/11/minnesota-woman-songs-illegally-downloaded

[–] dead@hexbear.net 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The article that you posted does not even align with what you are saying. The article that you posted aligns with what I am saying. The article also says in the headline that the RIAA has realize that suing individual downloaders is an ineffective legal strategy.

That article does not say that people are being fined by the government because copyright infringement in most cases is not a criminal case, it's a civil case. The article itself says that the state isn't pursuing it. That article says that copyright trolls harassed 18000 people, 7000 people didn't even respond and 11000 settled out of court or "were not prosecuted". Weird that it doesn't even say how many people even settled of court.

Why are you posting like you work at the RIAA? "Under the law, people can actually be charged up to $150,000 per infringement" Under what law? Why don't you know the difference between a civil case and a criminal case? I already told you that criminal copyright infringement is different from civil copyright infringement. The woman in the article you posted was not being fined by the government. She was being sued in a civil case for uploading music on Kazaa, not even for downloading.

On top of that, the woman who was being sued in the article that you posted never even payed the damages. She declared bankruptcy to avoid paying the damages. "In March 2013, Thomas-Rasset announced she would declare bankruptcy to avoid paying the RIAA the $222,000."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records%2C_Inc._v._Thomas-Rasset#Aftermath

Repeating what I said in my previous posts. "In most cases copyright infringement is a civil case, not a criminal case. That means that you are prosecuted by the copyright holder and not the state. The copyright holder has to take you to civil court to sue you." "For it to become a criminal case, you basically have to be charging money for pirated content." "the copyright holder has to actually take you to court and prove that you infringed the copyright, which is very difficult to prove."

Criminal copyright infringement requires that the infringer acted "for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain." 17 U.S.C. § 506(a).[9] To establish criminal liability, the prosecutor must first show the basic elements of copyright infringement: ownership of a valid copyright, and the violation of one or more of the copyright holder's exclusive rights. The government must then establish that defendant willfully infringed or, in other words, possessed the necessary mens rea. Misdemeanor infringement has a very low threshold in terms of number of copies and the value of the infringed works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_copyright_law_in_the_United_States#Legal_definition

In order to be fined by the government for piracy, the government would have to prove that you infringed copyright for "financial gain", ie you made money, harmed your financial competitor, etc. If you were charging money for distributing pirated content, it would be criminal. If you financially gain from operating a website which distributes pirated content, it could be criminal.

Pirating books (without charging money) would be a civil case, if even prosecuted, and the copyright holder would have to track you down and then file a court case against you and then make a case against you in court. That is very difficult and costly. This is something that is very unlikely to happen, especially if you use a VPN to mask your internet connection or avoid using peer to peer transfers.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm not sure why you are so worried about this. I am saying that this does not happen anymore, but there was a time when there were lawsuits against infringers that were in the range of $10k-$20k per infringement. Apologies that I don't know the ins and outs of civil law.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 8 points 18 hours ago

Sure I agree, i doubt any punishment will be issued in this case.