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Most of the guests are coming from outside the city/state. Unless we built a national high speed railway, I don’t see how this could be avoided.
Shuttle/train from the airport? Doesn’t seem too difficult for to solve honestly.
Flying commercial has a larger carbon footprint than just driving a car.
Anyone coming from out of country is probably flying, which is a significant amount. Anyone coming from the eastern half of the continent is probably too.
A quick check found some (admittedly dubious) stats claiming 71% of visitors are from in-country, presumably meaning 29% are not. Can't really be bothered to check further.
Depends on the number of people in the car.
Now this is just fuel burn but the MPG required of the car is listed below. Average commercial jet gets 58mpg per person, which interestingly is better then my bike by 3.
1 person - 58mpg
2 people - 29mpg
3 people - 19mpg
4 people - 14mpg
I've heard conflicting data on the makeup of the gasses coming out of a turbine and wether it's better or worse than a car. Except for during takeoff should be an extremely lean burn that should be a very complete burn. Looks like the highest temperatures are just below the point that makes significant NOx.
Not necessarily. Depends on several factors like the vehicle, distance, number of passengers, etc. In some cases flying can be a better option.
But really, I wasn’t endorsing flying, it’s just that for many people coming from out of state, that will be their method of transit. Enabling them to get to their destination without driving is still an improvement.
You're forgetting to account for the other parts of the vacation experience. Hotels, restaurants, and other tourist attractions. While you can probably fulfill this with various forms of public transit, a lot of this would require undoing decades of car centric city design. From the perspective of a park, parking lots are a much simpler (though unpleasant) solution.
Fair point. But I still think that would be doable. Might take some time. Odious as parking lots are, they aren’t the worst aspect of cars on cities, so I don’t mind if we wait to eliminate them until other alternatives are present.
Why not build hotels at the park? Then all you need is the Disney line from the airport.
Not sure if this was a satirical comment, but there are hotels at the park.
By the time they do this say to LAX, we will all be dead...purple line extension that goes barely 10 miles started back in 2017 and its still going today 2023...thats like a year per mile if they trying to get it done by 2026 olympics...
But you're forgetting that this would be a private company not a government. Disney doesn't have to answer to voters and other corporate interests. They just convince their board of directors it's a good idea then the checks are written and mickey construction gets to work.
I dont think even they are powerful enough to extend the local train all the way to the airport...but i could be wrong as a private company is trying to build a high speed line from vegas to socal...