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[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

They'll do anything but accept blame for the situation we're in.

Democrats aren't great but lazy non voters are worse. Or those who choose to feel smug voting for third parties who don't stand a chance instead of accepting that things can't be perfect but can be better with a very imperfect choice.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 4 points 20 hours ago

I'm curious how this translates into a strategy to win elections. I want Democrats to be realistic. Running as "better than Trump" lost 2016 and 2024. If Democrats don't show strong leadership, then we're all lost.

[–] lemminator@lemmy.today -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Democrats are far from great, in fact they are pretty evil. I don't see how voting for a party that gets more evil every election is going to make anything better.

I think it's pretty fair to blame the democratic leadership for being evil, and running a terrible candidate, who ran on a terrible platform, rather than blaming the voters who loudly told them what to change to earn more votes.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, because reality now is soooo much better. /s

Accelerationists are either insane or stupid.

Democrats could change if people voted for them every election and every primary. But that requires work. It's the one thing Republicans did and you can witness how right batshit insane they are because they did just that. AOC put in the work. Shame the bulk of left leaning voters don't do the same.

[–] lemminator@lemmy.today 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Who said reality is better now? I certaintly didn't. I'm also not sure why you brought up Accelerationists. Maybe you're replying to the wrong post?

The Democratic leadership has had the chance to change, and have chosen not to. They had a majority, and spent the entire time bitching that there was nothing they could do for their voting base. But they sure had the ability to do things that their voting base expressly didn't want. I think voters saw through that, and when the time came to put their faith in the Democratic leadership, they couldn't. And I don't blame the voters for that, I blame the leadership.

I don't understand what you mean by AOC putting in the work. I constantly see her talking a big talk, but I've yet to see her walk a big walk.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Razor thin majority, biggest climate change bill ever, canceled student loans, navigated covid. Sure, they didn't do anything. /s

Was it a metric ton? No but it's better than the alternative.

But hey, why not let Republicans back in to dismantle all that and more. Surely that's better.

If we're this stupid then we deserve all this and more.

[–] lemminator@lemmy.today 1 points 5 hours ago

They fell far short of canceling the student loans that they promised, the climate bill was laughably insufficient, they did a terrible job during covid. They also recked the economy (some of which wasn't their fault, some of it was), backed a genocide, and ran 2 terrible campaigns. It seems pretty clear to me why voters didn't trust them.

I also never advocated for letting the Republicans back into office. I'm not sure where that came from.