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Dude, you should probably read up on the history of Afghanistan before you start saying "America is to blame".
I mean, yeah... America IS to blame... among others. And it goes back WAY further than 20 some odd years.
Important reminder that the USA financed the mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan war. See Operation Cyclone.
Hell, see Rambo 3.
Important reminder that in that war, Russia was yet again the invader
Sort of, the local communists, probably without soviet knowledge or support, overthrew the local military dictator. They started unpopular reforms like gender equality and social ownership, people got very unhappy about that, the situation devolved into a civil war and the Soviets decided to intervene to support the Afghan communists.
Not quite a straight invasion like Ukraine and probably more justified than the US intervention.
The soviets didn't even like them iirc. Very sad situation all round.
Yep, the worst religious radical is better than the best atheist. Cuz they're commies and fuck that.
Lets give these guys some guns, I'm sure it won't backfire.
They weren't good because they were reds. They weren't even really RU/SU-aligned. They were good because they were progressive and also happened to be neutral in terms of foreign affairs. But they learnt that the US funded the taliban and that's why the reds were invited in. The US got word. And disaster ensued.
Important reminder that the Mujahideen fractured, and one of the factions went on to become terrorists. Not the entire group.
Still means the USA financed the training of the part of the faction that split.
This is also similar to ISIS, it's almost like we don't mind the fallout if it justifies further military spending to fight the GWOT.
The resources you're referring to during the first decade were not used for "fiddling", but well-spent on capturing and killing bin Laden and negating the threat of al-Qaeda. The occupation of Afghanistan following the raid on bin-Laden continued to be costly without reaping similar tangible rewards and that's all the more reason for the US to subsequently withdraw from Afghanistan.
The US didn't "lose Afghanistan", they stopped pouring resources and lives into a very costly and difficult occupation without significant local support that didn't make any sense or reap any benefit after achieving their stated goals of capturing and killing bin laden and dismantling al-Qaeda.
Nobody has forgotten Afghanistan, there just isn't a foreign power actively occupying and policing their country anymore.
No, they were just overthrown by a handful of civilians with guns and thrown out of the country. Totally no loss at all /s
Let me guess, the US also didn't lose the war in Vietnam, but decided to just leave the country?
In Vietnam, the stated US goal was to stop the Communist takeover of Vietnam as a means to "stop communism", which is ludicrous and vague and didn't work. I have to disagree with you and say the US military lost Vietnam since they did so poorly militarily and didn't achieve what they set out to.
In Afghanistan, they had specific goals of capturing and killing bin Laden and dismantling al Qaeda, two specific goals that were achieved while dominating the country militarily. So yes, the US "won" Afghanistan in that they achieved both of their goals and did well militarily.
I guess you're arguing that since communism didn't spread out from Vietnam following US military intervention, the US "won" Vietnam, but the US military didn't succeed in any practical sense or achieve anything tangible.
If you believe that the war was one man's and not the nation's, then the US obviously didn't lose any war according to your definition.
You're making broad political assumptions based on the physical appearance of George Bush, which is not a very convincing argument.
You allege bush had "intel", that he didn't listen to anybody, and he felt he had all the answers, but you aren't providing a thesis, evidence, context, examples, or drawing any conclusions from these assumptions. You're just complaining about assumptions you made up.
Saying "all we had to do was go to Pakistan, and we would've gotten Osama a lot earlier" is probably the least-sensical assumption you're making.
That was the whole point of finding him, his whereabouts were unknown.
You might as well get angry at homicide detectives for finding killers. "Gee, you know if you just went straight to the murderer:s house that you didn't know the location of, you would have arrested him much sooner. Don't know why you bothered with all those clues and evidence for years and didn't just meet him at his hiding spot right away."
They had to find bin laden before they knew where he was. Bin laden was in something like a half dozen different safe houses in an area of the size of Texas, supported and protected by a terrorist organization spread across more than two countries that by themselves added up to the size of Mexico, and most of the hijackers of the 9/11 attack were from Saudi Arabia.
Somehow, this chuckles me. What if Americans lose their country in less than a week?
Assange warned us that the war was not to be won. It was to be continually fought.
Kinda like Ukraine now.
Ukraine's choices are in its own hands.