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You need to talk to people in a less condescending manner. I explicitly asked for more information (‘feel free to make the case’) and laid out an alternative explanation, there’s nothing ‘uncritical’ about that. I haven’t a clue what ‘Google-Fu’ is supposed to mean. I get my information from reputable Dutch and German newspapers.
You’re putting words in my mouth, but I will believe current developments in the US are the result of the Russians if a causative relationship has been established.
Again, I don’t doubt these are the aims of the Russian government, but Russian campaigns are probably fuelling processes that were going on in the US anyway. In the Netherlands, Russians don’t really need to do anything as indigenous racist elements like Wilders have it easy enough as is to harnass these underlying discomforts with ‘the other’, whatever form they may take. Attacks against Turkish immigrants (‘guest workers’) happened in the seventies, there always was an underlying current.
This is all of a completely different order than the claim I’ve been hearing often, that Trump is a literal Putin agent, and I don’t buy it. The agent Krasnov claim came from one guy, as far as I know. Not very convincing, but this what I was actually referring to when I said ‘feel free to make a case’, as I haven’t found this to be very convincing - and I especially haven’t seen convincing evidence.
I didn’t, as I’m Dutch and I dislike following American news. I’ve heard it indeed seems to be the case that Russian narratives work well in the Trump camp. Still, I’m quite sure that if Russia starts following a foreign policy that isn’t compatible with what the Trump camp wants, they’ll drop them as quickly as they did Europe.
Well I made my case. You admit you don't follow American news closely, and much of your opinion is based on your own speculation.
While one ex-KGB agent recently revealed Trump's code name, numerous Russians have described a long pattern of manipulation of Trump, starting with his well-documented trip to Russia in 1987.
You keep insisting that your perspective that there is little Russian influence on Trump and others in his administration is simply contradicted by actual facts.
Google-Fu is an American idiom for being proficient with Google searches (derived from Kung Fu).
As for being condescending, as an American whose name will probably appear on the MAGANazi detainment lists at some point, I don't have any patience for people who are downplaying Trump's breath-taking treason, and I won't apologize for it.
Considering you're not giving any actual evidence for much of what you're writing, that's speculation as far as I'm concerned as well.
I'm not downplaying anything, I'm saying I'm not buying an oft-repeated narrative, and I'm still not buying it. And, in any case, I don't expect you to apologise, I expect people I'm responding to in a polite manner to be vaguely polite back. I've not doubted your intellectual capabilities just for disagreeing with me.
You're starting to sound like one more far-right apologist, offering only soft arguments against fascism, while carefully allowing Russia to escape blame for their obvious nefarious behavior, despite years of open evidence of it. We see this a lot in America, although yours was more subtle than we usually see, because American MAGAs are fucking stupid, and can't navigate subtlety.
You are the one who offered no sources for your allegations that Russia isn't really leading the growing wave of far-right activism across the world. I offered two solid sources for my basic argument, and invited you to do more research. It's not my job to hold your hand. If you truly want to know more, which seems increasingly doubtful, you have Google on your phone and computer.
Yes, I'm far-right. Whatever.
I don't know what you are, but if you are going to let Russia off the hook for what is their OBVIOUS geopolitical strategy, people are going to suspect that of you. Patriotic, non-MAGA Americans no longer have the luxury of denying the truth of Russia's manipulation. Here, we are in a Civil War, and citizens have to take a side, and if you arent with us, you're with the enemy.
It may not be that dire in your country, but it wasn't dire in our country either, until it was. You would do yourself and your nation a service by getting on board with resistance now, before its too late. Russia is closer to you than America, and when they have dismantled America, you will be directly at their mercy.
Unless that's what you want.