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I am so fed up with some of our American peers trying to posture their ideology online by being uppity with Bernie and AOC's work in the states.
They are actively engaging with large amounts of Americans all over inviting them to be more combative against billionaires, bloody American leftists should be utilising this moment to drive as many in those pockets even further left.
I am confident the supermajority of us completely disagree with most of Bernies foreign policies, from the illegal bombing of Yugoslavia to supporting the existence of Israel, we do not need to agree with them to utilise the moment they are creating to garner more support.
We are in unusual times and more people every day are beginning to realise the apparatus of their government is falsely presented as reliable, their checks and balances are clearly purchasable thanks to the way Elon has chosen to operate as of late. They also understand that their country, unless change comes around, is always 4 years away from being like this again, since the dems will. not. change. Most people know this new makeover the democrats are peddling around is just neoliberalism again.
Falling to puritan culture right now will get us nowhere and would be the ultimate shame, American leftists need to seriously begin siphoning off this movement Bernie and AOC are making to further left wing foundations because right now a healthy amount of people have finally realised that not just the fact that they cannot rely on the two party system, but that there are enough people discontent with both options to consent the existence of a third party.
This is a moment in history where the left need to grab hold of power and not let go, enough with this purity test garbage, there are bigger problems.
This is wrong thinking. While American comrades should be willing to give critical support for policies that burnie and aoc have those few policies are practically non-existent and consistently sacrificed in exchange for personal political gains. Those ideas are not aoc or burnie's ideas they just grabbed onto them. You can support the policy while disparaging people who claim to support them.
It is not a purity test. There is nothing there to purify. Lauding them for their "progressive" policy ideas (that don't go anywhere) is picking corn kernels out of a pile of shit and presenting them as gold. They are not comrades. They are tools of the capitalists through and through.
It is better to engage with supporters of aoc and burnie and show them why the little they offer is a) not enough and b) a trap to keep people from seeing there is no voting their way out of capitalism. I am 99% sure that aoc is a fbi or cia operative instilled to lure younger progressive voters into voting democrat and I am almost as sure that burnie is the same.
The part that many leftists get wrong (myself included) is our attitude and tone when trying to communicate these ideas. We often come off as combative and talking down and that is unhelpful 99% of the time.
Thank you so much for breaking it down for me <3 your corn and shit analogy is 100% right and if anything it only shows how desperate I have got for positive change as of late. I'm glad I wrote my comment, thank you for slapping some sense into me. The final paragraph and sentence I agree with fully.
I guess it gets hard accepting the insistence of capitalism and more so how heartbreaking it is to see people's discontent towards capitalism over there go towards individuals or worse to bring back "norms"
Bernie and AOC have demonstrated that they will compromise on their "principles" ( if you even consider them that) to fallback to the Democratic party line. Putting our support in them is not a way to move their supporters to the left, but for them to move leftists to the right.
I think AOC is just a careerist, and Bernie is genuine, but functionally they are the same. I think of it similar to the SPD in Germany during the late 1910s and how it compromised with the bourgeois which killed any real revolution from happening.
Bernie wants billionaires to "pay their fair share" and then what? Is that really the root of the problem? They start paying more taxes and everything becomes fine for us?
I think in order to move people further left, we have to break their trust in AOC in Bernie. They have to see that there is no politician out there that actually is fighting for their interests, and their salvation lies in their own hands and they must organize.
Edit: oops I meant to reply to your other comment