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Youssef Bouchi writes on the importance of American socialism from his perspective as an Arab immigrant in Canada:

"Grassroots movements in the U.S. already understand this [...] Our task from the outside is to support them."

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Socialism is not confined to borders. Our movement belongs to workers all over the world.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We have to acknowledge that, for now, those borders do exist in order to end them.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We will not make the error of previous movements of putting white liberation first in line.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This seems like a non sequitur on its face, but I’m sure you speaking to something(s) specific that went over my head.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

American exceptionalism is based in white supremacy. The world needs socialism. Not “American socialism.”

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah, I see. Yeah that’s a shit title. The world does not need a white savoir to bestow socialism upon the world.

[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's not a shit title. If you go outside and talk to people, they generally can understand that "American socialism" is equivalent to "socialism in America".

[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

borders objectively exist. saying "it's good for people over that border to organize" is sensible for those in touch with objective material conditions

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Borders exist in law. Not in our physical space. We are going to change the laws. I find it incredibly optimistic to believe the borders will exist as they are after a socialist revolution.

[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Borders physically exist. There are police who will arrest or even shoot at those who cross them in the wrong way. "After a socialist revolution" is so vague as to be meaningless. Yeah, if you establish Utopia tomorrow there will be no borders. Can we get back to talking about the real world?

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Again, that’s very optimistic. More likely it’ll devolve into civil war first, with different borders drawn for each little fiefdom. Whether this goes well or horribly, I wouldn’t count on borders staying as they are drawn.