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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And how, exactly, do you enforce the accords--the accords and reparations that directly led to WWII--without the use of military force?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For starters, you actually join the League of Nations you proposed at the end of WW1. Then you can open up trade and create large economic unions (the EU being a good example) that create business incentives that transcend borders and governments. Open borders, international business ties, and populations with international relations deaden the enthusiasm for interstate military conflicts in between neighboring states.

The single biggest deterrent to a US/China military conflict has been the degree to which American and Chinese people travel and do business with one another all the way across the Pacific Ocean. Arguably, the biggest deterrent to a Chinese naval invasion of Taiwan is the degree to which the two territories have productive and amicable trading and travel relations. By contrast, it was the indefinite sanctions on Iraq in the 90s that paved the way for full invasion ten years later and nearly triggered conflicts in Syria and Iran (which averted conflict in large part due to economic ties to France, Turkyie, and Saudi Arabia).

Military force does not enforce accords between states. The Peace Dividend does. And you can't have a Peace Dividend without trade, travel, and strengthened diplomatic relations.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For starters, you actually join the League of Nations you proposed at the end of WW1.

...Which doesn't address the issue. How, EXACTLY, do you enforce anything without the willingness to use force? Have you seen NATO Peacekeepers? They rarely--if ever--use force, and as a result they are almost entirely ineffective at preventing shit.

Open borders, international business ties, and populations with international relations deaden the enthusiasm for interstate military conflicts in between neighboring states.

Tends to, but the accords that ended WWI required Germany to pay absolutely ruinous reparations; even with open borders, international business ties, etc., the economic depression caused by that treaty would have laid the foundation for WWII. Moreover, I note that both the US and the EU had fairly solid trade ties with Russia prior to their invasion of Crimea, and that has done pretty much fuck-all to temper Putin's imperial ambitions.

So, again: how do you enforce ANYTHING without being willing to use force?

Arguably, the biggest deterrent to a Chinese naval invasion of Taiwan

Do you really believe that? Or is it maybe that the US always has a naval detachment close by, and has pledged to use military force to ensure that Taiwan remains free? Because China has certainly been ratcheting up their insistence that Taiwan is theirs, and that they intend to take it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

…Which doesn’t address the issue.

It does. It preempts the re-arming of Europe in the 1930s.

Have you seen NATO Peacekeepers? They rarely–if ever–use force, and as a result they are almost entirely ineffective at preventing shit.

UN Peacekeeping has a Sexual Abuse Problem

Seems like they are all too eager to use force, just so long as it is directed at the vulnerable and easily exploited.