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Am I dumb or is AOC not an option
She is 100% an option, but not for the current Democrat party. They will push her our like they did Sanders.
They'd vote Trump before voting for AOC. At least that's my take from abroad.
And mine from not abroad.
The Dems are controlled opposition who are funded by the billionaires just like the Rs.
Democratic party needs to split up. Bernie has been calling on more senators and congressmen to go independent, but none have jumped off the rotten DNC ship.
There's an inherent strategic advantage to claiming the party brand, because so much has been invested in raising its name recognition.
Very hard to get people to throw away a shot at a winnable primary in pursuit of a much more difficult independent run.
We need the infrastructure. The parties are too entrenched in law and election structures...
So the only choice is to tea party them, build a left wing of the party and take over. And I think that's what AOC and Bernie are running around doing, but it's going to take time
In the meantime, we need to resist
This. I've been saying for a bit now that we need our own tea party movement to push the DNC left
Bernie has been independent for essentially his entire career. Why is it possible for him, but not others?
Precisely because he's been in politics since the 80s and is a brand name in Vermont.
And he still caucuses with the Dems. He didn't run for president as an independent. He knows the perils of appearing as a spoiler candidate as well as any Stein or Nader.
And how much control does Bernie and the other independents have? Not much... He generally votes with the Democrats and occasionally speaks out
We don't need another 5 independents. We need a couple dozen in a cohesive voting block. We need enough that Democrats will be forced to negotiate with them (because maga won't)
It's very hard to win as an independent, but it can be done. We need more then that though - we need a party, we need the network of organizers, the infrastructure for donations, and to integrate with 50 slightly different systems for elections
And most importantly, you need name recognition
All these things would take years of maintained effort to establish, but they exist - better to become a key faction of the democratic party than to compete with them directly
After Kamala there's no way they'll have another female candidate. The American people would rather vote for all the adjectives that describe Trump than a woman.
That's exactly why they would run another woman candidate. You don't think the dems are trying to win, do you?
Clinton and Harris are just fake smiles on a status quo neoliberal platform. Of course that didn't go anywhere. Elizabeth Warren might have stood a chance. AOC is outright popular now but I don't think she would have won, yet.
The "Fight Oligarchy" rallies and "Hands Off" protests need to get bigger. Then she could be popular enough.
Which is extra funny given that candidates like Gretchen Witmer, Liz Warren, and AOC are some of their most popular candidates the party still has to offer.
Gruesome Newsom is going to clinch then nomination on a platform of "America is a fundamentally misogynistic nation" and liberals are going to waltz into 2028 screaming "Vote for us! We hate women more than the Republicans!"
Naw Gavin's career is sunk. That podcast sank him
I'll believe it when I see it. He's still got the Getty fortune and the Lib half of California media firmly behind him
True, but he's burned his bridges with the Left via transphobia and trying to court the Right, and with the Right by inviting Right Wingers to the podcast and then calling them Bible Thumpers while trying to court them.
He's got a life raft that'll prevent him from drowning overnight, but he took a swing at the big time and missed.
He burned it with The Left when he came after the homeless way back during his San Fransisco mayorship. That hasn't really hurt him, because liberals continue to love the guy.
He's the Andrew Cuomo of the West Coast. He'll never drown. Like a fat turd, he'll always float to the top.
If that's the lesson dems took from the election, dems are going to lose again.
Stop pushing far right republicans as the dem nominees, regardless of their supposed genitals.
It was quite a blow to my "all humans are inherently good" mindset, I'm now going with "all humans probably have some deeply rooted cultural biases".
Why the fuck would you have thought this to begin with?
Because babies aren't racist, sexist, etc. We're not perfect, and we get some weird ideas as we go through life, but in general I think most people are generally just trying to get by and do their best.
But also yeah sometimes you have to do a violence or whatever.
Maternal instincts, the lived experience of kindness between friends and neighbors, and the last 10,000 years of gradual but undeniable improvements in social equity could argue this point.
I might also argue that humans are fundamentally good, but still highly mutable. So a few bad apples really can spoil the bunch.
And Biden.