yep. the difference is, when women have been disadvantaged they tend to create spaces and pathways to talk about or change it. unfortunately a lot of men tend to isolate, even though they are not alone. then when they see something about a women receiving help through programs created by women for women their feelings of being abandoned by the system come up again. it's just another way that toxic masculinity hurts everyone. the fix for that is of course feminism, but it's a pretty massive barrier for most men to accept that.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Men don't always isolate by choice. There's a large cultural aversion to creating and sustaining male-only spaces, and that aversion comes from all sectors.

Every college campus has a women's club but if you try making a men's club you'll probably get reprimanded.

[–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

every college campus has men's clubs theyre called fraternities

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know that's not what I'm talking about.

[–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

then I guess I'm not sure what you're really talking about then.

it goes back to my original point though. if you feel there should be those spaces, no one is stopping you from making them. there were a few subreddits I used to browse (maybe it was mensrights or menslib or something similar) that was super respectful and held genuinely helpful and important conversations about the issues men face. trust me, absolutely no one will stop you from making those spaces. if those spaces you're trying to create aren't respectful, then yes I imagine people might not like that.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I was referring to IRL safe spaces and support groups.

Making men's spaces online specifically has the dual problem of being attacked by both misogynists and radical feminists. It's a lot of work and a lot of hate to deal with, so they don't pop up a lot. But yes, they do exist, there's a semi-active menslib community on lemmy for example. I think that one veers way too heavily into the "us men are really awful aren't we?" feminist takes, personally; the reddit one was a lot better.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Menslib always felt like a containment sub.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

yeah, thats the problem. The only mens places are altright infested shit holes. Its liftest mens places that are discouraged.