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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 168 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

From now on you must view all of their words and actions through the lens of a fascist dictatorship. This is almost certainly propaganda intended to increase fear of Chinese supremacy and using that fear as an excuse to invade Panama.

I hard doubt the US doesn't have classified hypersonic missile tech, and even if they don't, this admin won't stop maintaining, building, or deploying these "vulnerable" billion dollar aircraft carriers. Everything conservatives and DOGE cut is everything that benefits the working class, and increases their quality of life and economic mobility. They never cut anything that enables their authoritarian capabilities.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago

Don't forget how they were able to slap a basically poor-only tax with their tariff bullshit.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Propaganda can be true sometimes. That the cutting edge of missile tech has been well ahead of the cutting edge of missile defense has been an open secret for at least a decade. It might not be as fast as twenty minutes, but the truth is there is nothing that anybody can do about the most advanced missiles being made today apart from hoping that they miss. The problem with carriers is that they are big, slow targets. Every carrier has this problem, not just the US fleet.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Weren't there some wargames a few decades ago where some group playing the "terrorists" sank a US carrier with nothing but a few speedboats and some RPGs or something similar? I am thinking of the one where they "rolled back" the wargame. It has been quite a while since I read that so I don't remember all the details.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 13 points 1 day ago

Millennium Challenge 2002. That was a boondoggle. Yes the opposing force won and they had to reset the game but the OPFOR was up to some ridiculous shenanigans. For instance instead of using radios, which could be intercepted and tracked, they used motorcycles to convey messages...motorcycles that could travel at the speed of light.

Another piece of silliness is that there were commercial vessels (non-combatants) on the virtual water but OPFOR sometimes used them in ways that were impossible. As an example radar would return a 12 foot fishing boat and then that boat would launch four 20 foot long anti-ship missiles.

Then there's whole idea of a CBG just hanging around shore for days on end staying inside a pre-determined box so that OPFOR always knew their location, something that almost certainly not happen in an IRL conflict.

The Commander of the Opposing Force was extremely clever but they needed a long list of nearly impossible to achieve advantages to make it work.

[–] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Ripper declared his speedboats were armed with anti ship missiles. Which were bigger than the speedboats.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember reading that as well, but I recall CWIS wasn't turned on for some reason.

[–] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Wasn't turned on because the fleet was forced to stay too close to shore and commercial shipping lanes by the exercise.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

there is nothing that anybody can do about the most advanced missiles being made today apart from hoping that they miss

You can help them miss. If they're using GPS navigation, jamming works. It then reverts to inertial navigation though, so the longer you jam - the bigger the error.

Or you could try shooting it down, I doubt they can even dodge a head-on intercept without losing a load of energy.

edit: btw the problem you're describing is why cbg is a thing

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago

I hard doubt the US doesn’t have classified hypersonic missile tech....

The HACM (Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile) is already out there.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, carriers in this modern age probably are mostly sitting ducks against any modern adversary. They could barely take on Yemen.

If your adversary has satellites that can tell them where you are and a sufficient amount of missiles / torpedoes, there's only so much you can do.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

This is absolutely true. Carriers are very vulnerable to advanced anti-ship missiles. But people with staunch political views have alternative truths they prefer to see propagated, so you've been punished.