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god i wish. half of my X11 apps don't work, some that used to keep breaking out of nowhere.
unless you use an environment that doesn't support XWayland, like niri. xwayland-satellite used to be the easier route in that case but that seems to be broken now.
edit: wow i always thought people were being obtuse when complaining about "wAyLaNd sHiLLs" in their replies when criticizing Wayland. but now i'm not so sure.
if one goes out of their way to use a system without xwayland, that's on them not Wayland lol
but i do have xwayland. please read my comment again.
"I set my house on fire damn why did my house burn down its the builders fault."
xwayland-satellite is the recommended way to run X11 apps, which are unfortunately still many, on niri. is that "setting my house on fire"? really confused here.
at which part did they set the house on fire?
yeah really confused about that reply too. is using anything other than Gnome on Wayland "setting the house on fire"?
What issues do half of your X11 apps? Ive never had an issue with an X11 app running through Xwayland, although I also dont have many X11 apps left.
mostly windows going blank or straight up refusing to show
Issue is already closed though and might have more to do with xwayland itself it seems. Also fwiw, i just tested steam on niri with xwayland-satellite a few weeks ago and it worked just fine.
issue closed != issue resolved though. it worked "a few" weeks ago for me too, and now it doesn't. other people in fedi and one in that issue have the same problem, so it's not like i'm alone with some weird setup here.
also i should note, although i did that in the linked issue, that other xwayland compositors do work. they're just way more janky for running X11 apps seamlessly. so i'm not convinced the issue is elsewhere. i just didn't press the issue out of respect for the maintainer and the only productive thing to do at this point would be to submit a patch if i am indeed right.
Fair enough. I wasn't aware you actually had that problem yourself, i thought you just looked it up to prove a point lol. I do think it's a weird decision that niri doesn't just have xwayland built-in. Even river has native xwayland support, which is much more focused on minimalism. I haven't used niri all that much because so far haven't really been able to get used to scrolling. I think i still prefer dynamic tilers with a layout system. I should probably try booting up a game in niri to see if i can replicate it.
honestly i kinda get their reasoning... it's extra jank, extra complexity and a maintenance burden that shouldn't be necessary if apps stopped dragging their feet about proper wayland support. niri instead focuses on the rest of the experience and honestly? they're doing a pretty great job because it's super fuckin comfy to use and customize, at least for me.