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When I look at other communist nations, they were invaded, couped, and/or sabotaged at every opportunity, and (forgive me, my history of China is weak) while I'm sure that China faced obstacles from capitalists outside of the country, it somehow rose up to be the power that it is today while the USSR fell, Vietnam and Korea got bombed to hell and back, Cuba was put under crippling sanctions, and surely countless other uprisings got squashed young.

But china didn't just survive, they thrived. How?

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[–] blame@hexbear.net 21 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

You say it's not nukes yet you start with things that were only possible because of nukes

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 7 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Whaaa? Blocking social media requires nukes? What's going on in Iran then?

Antagonizing USA requires nukes? What's happening in Venezuela?

Waiting out your opponent requires nukes? Well at this point I point to the entire planet waiting out USA's tariff plan.

Not sure where anything I said doesn't have an analogous example of a country doing exactly that and they do not have nukes. It's just no one does all at once which is as I said the real reason China is winning.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 14 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Whaaa? Blocking social media requires nukes? What's going on in Iran then?

Secret nukes.

Antagonizing USA requires nukes? What's happening in Venezuela?

Secret nukes.

Waiting out your opponent requires nukes? Well at this point I point to the entire planet waiting out USA's tariff plan.

Whole world's got nukes. Secret nukes.

[–] boboblaw@hexbear.net 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Antagonizing USA requires nukes?

Kinda, yeah. If you don't have nukes, you can't keep antagonizing the US without the risk of getting invaded and/or nuked. Like MacArthur proposed literally just before China developed nukes.

[–] blame@hexbear.net 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Being independent and relatively free of harassment by the cia requires nukes. How many coup attempts have there been in venezuela? Why do the US and Israel spend so much effort assassinating Iranian scientists? China can do the things it does because it has the power to. You dont start with blocking social media, blocking social media is a thing you can do when youve laid the groundwork.

anyway i was making a joke and now im actually arguing for it when others in this thread have better answers lol

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago

Well, no. I mean if you look at history, USA has tried all those things in China as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China

China is just better at handling it. There's reasons for this, but that's a whole separate topic of conversation. Suffice to say, look at what happened in 2010. That's why China can do it, not the nukes.

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 7 points 19 hours ago

Yeah I'm going to say nukes are the starting point