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To be fair, the thing about guns probably made a lot more sense back then. And freedom of speech is great, until you start dealing with state secrets and national security.
They can say whatever they want criticizing the government without retribution from the government is what it means. It was never protecting anyone from openly saying anything they wanted.
You can say you're going to murder your neighbor and be arrested legally and charged legally for it if they find reasonable means you were going to try it.
You can slander/libel someone and legally get sued in civil court as well.
Seems like guns make a lot of sense right now too.
I'm fine with an armed population, as long as people that might harm themselves or do mass shootings cant get weapons.
"people who do mass shootings can't get weapons" just means "everybody gets to do one mass shooting but no more"
Or just implement a process to check the mental health of people who want to get guns, and if theyre insane and are at risk of doing that, then they dont get the guns
I reread your comment and I think I parsed it differently than the way you intended it.
what you said:
what you certainly must have meant by it:
the way I read it:
so there's where my comment comes from.
The shift in public perception on weapon ownership when they see actual tyrany in america is very interesting. Ive been 100% pro gun and have gotten so much backlash from family and friends for being so. I dont even own a gun and to me it has been obvious that the government and media were using mass shootings (not actually commiting them as far as we know) to disarm the people.
There are and have always been such a large number of safe, moral, and sane gun owners in this country. Normal people who target practice, hunt, shoot competatively, design guns, modify them, defend their homes, study weapon history, or even just put them on display. It baffles me that anyone could be so against normal hard working americans doing no harm whatsoever.
Not a single person I spoke with was ever against owning a car when I brought it up. I was always given the same "its not the same thing". The common denominators in vehicular violence and gun violence are mental health, education, and financial status. I dont want to compare numbers on how many people are killed in either situation because it does not matter. Human lives are lost everyday needlessly to both of these. But only guns get talked about.
Curious to know if you or anyone else have recently become pro gun, or have you always felt this way?
If you utter the words “freedom of speech is great, until…,” you are 100% a fascist.
Y’all can keep downvoting. Says a lot about you and your flexible morality.
Let's freedom of speech nuclear codes to terrorist organizations. Why not? Go away, disingenuous prick.
Ok, strawman.
Do you know what a strawman or edge case is?
Do you know what a sweeping generalization is?
A good description for constitutional rights, which have minimal if any limitations on them. Your edge cases don’t change that.
Yes, constitutional rights have to be crafted for most general scenarios.
So you don't. Can't say I didn't expect it.
K. I’m done arguing against your support for fascism by you excusing it with edge cases and strawmen. Blocked.
So brave.
Freedom of speech is great, until people start drawing swastikas
And they’re free to do that without reprisal from the government. But that doesn’t stop the community from beating their ass.
Do you think people in Germany should be allowed to draw swastikas while saying anti semitic things? Think carefully about your response
Free from government reprisal for acts of speech, yes. I would hope their neighbors wouldn’t tolerate it. But once it escalates beyond speech like that, there’s consequences.
yeah I don't think people who have classified info should be allowed to give that to the enemy.
The problem that we now have is that anything embarrassing or incriminating for politicians gets classified.