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❌ Incorrect
An analogy is not an equation. If most of a movie is G-rated, but it incorporates 10 minutes of hardcore sex, then the movie isn't suitable for children. If most of a game is E-rated, but it incorporates gambling, then the game isn't suitable for children.
Just because most of the [game/movie] is suitable for kids doesn't mean the [game/movie] as a whole is suitable for kids. Do you see how both of those things share that similarity, despite not being morally equivalent?
*Edited to more precisely and concisely make my point
You're explicity suggesting the thing is not suitable for kids, while also explicity calling something that isn't gambling, gambling. That's the point Cosmetic lootboxes are suitable for kids. Unlike porn or gambling.
It's not gambling, it just happens to function literally exactly the same as a slot machine, except that instead of getting money back on a jackpot, you get digital clothes and player characters
It is literally gambling you twit
By that logic all games with any random component is gambling... which would include pretty much every game ever published. If Diablo isn't gambling, then neither is genshin.
If player characters in Diablo were locked inside a digital slot machine that you could pay real money to spin, and players were heavily incentivized to do so because you can't reasonably expect to get all of the best characters without spending a bunch of real life money on spins, you would have a point.
You should really try to seek out other viewpoints. Literally every discussion about this topic overwhelmingly agrees that gacha games are gambling.
"You're not part of the hivemind so go seek out more people that agree with me until you are" is a wild statement.
That's not an accurate summary of what I said. Being factually correct isn't being part of a hive mind lmfao
You're sitting here arguing that 2+2 actually doesn't equal 4, and I'm done trying to explain that it does. Please learn to read past a kindergarten level someday
You literally said I wasn't correct because a majority of people hold a different viewpoint, and that I should get out of a non-existent echo chamber so I conform to the majority viewpoint.
If you don't understand why your last paragraph is stupid, I don't think you should have kids or care about what happens to kids.
I didn't say anything about an echo chamber dude, try again. Maybe try responding to the first paragraph about player characters being locked behind a digital slot machine that you can pay real money to spin.
"You should really try to seek out other viewpoints" suggests I haven't... what is an echo chamber, young one?
You still haven't responded to the part about the real money slot machine
Almost like you know you're full of shit
Because that's stupid, the point of a slot machine from the players perspective isn't colors moving, which is the only common theme between the two.
It's like saying a horse is a tree because they're both brown.
All video games contain a random element, and a lot of video games since Diablo have random reward elements, and fucking happy meals aren't considered gambling so lootboxes aren't gambling, so your allusion fails.
You still haven't responded about the real money part lmfao
This is how I know you're full of shit. The only common theme between a slot machine and a gacha game/loot box is that colors move? How about the fact that it's a device that heavily incentivises you continuously spend real money to attempt to get a randomly determined result, with the most desirable results being the least common?
Whether happy meals are a form of gambling could be an interesting discussion, if you were a smarter and nicer person. Lootboxes and gacha games super duper duper duper duper are though
No, it's like saying gachapon games are gambling because they let players spend real money to get a randomly determined result, with the most desirable results being the rarest, triggering the same reward system in the brain that other forms of gambling do, which is harmful to children not just because it triggers those reward systems, but because it entices them to spend real money on more rolls.
The reason I don't consider Diablo a form of gambling is because you aren't heavily encouraged to try to get every legendary item, and even if you really want a particular one, you can't just pull out your credit card and spend minutes at a time dropping real money on more rolls. You have to put in effort. You have to play the game.
ETA: I'm going to go ahead and say happy meals aren't a form of gambling, because a) results are all equally likely, b) you aren't heavily encouraged to collect any particular reward, and most importantly c) you can simply ask a cashier for a particular reward. Imagine if you could just ask the dealer to give you 21 in blackjack, or ask the slot machine for a jackpot