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Force government ID and I'm out. Max I'm giving you is DOB.
... And I don't even play anymore
DOB, yes.....Fake, but yes.
I have a note on my phone for keeping track of what my birthday is on different platforms
9/11/1900
I'm old enough for any DOB check, yet I still lie.
I give websites as little personally identifiable information as I reasonably can. It takes 33 bits of personal info to narrow you down to one individual, and I'm already open about the fact that I'm a white guy in my late twenties living in the north side of Wichita Kansas. That already narrows me down to one of like 50,000 people
Quick scroll down and a click on wherever i land, mhmm.
people under 18 will just jerk off to the girls instead of spending money on the game
What are they requesting for age verification?
TDLR: "If you don't give us PII information within a made up deadline, we will deny you access to any content you paid in the past."
Blame the US for declaring that US minors are too stupid and US parents too neglectful to pay attention to what is purchased online.
They have to kick off kids from their game, legally, and nearly all mobile and online games that have any way to spend real money will be doing the same within the next year.
They have to kick off kids from their game, legally, and nearly all mobile and online games that have any way to spend real money will be doing the same within the next year.
Good. Gambling is illegal for minors under the age of 18.
Most of the game isn't gambling, to pretend otherwise is just silly. It's like being one of those idiots that pretend counterstrike is gambling.
If there's an otherwise g rated movie with ten minutes of full frontal nudity and hard-core sex what rating do you think that movie is gonna get?
In statesia? Who made it?
If you think cosmetic lootboxes are comparable to porn, you're too stupid for internet access and your handler should limit your screen time in the future until a cure is found for whatever thing is currently affecting you.
The reading comprehension situation is crazy
LaLuzDelSol does not think cosmetic loot boxes are comparable to porn. They were making an analogy, not an equation. "A is like B in that C" does not imply that A is morally equivalent to B, it means that they share a similarity. In this case, "putting 10 minutes of hardcore sex in an otherwise g-rated film" is like "incorporating gambling into an otherwise child-friendly game," in that "even if the majority of the work is child-friendly, the not-child-friendly aspects make the work as a whole not child-friendly."
The analogy only works if you believe gambling does the same relative harm as porn.
That is the problem I have with their terrible attempt at an analogy. Not only does it imply it's comparable, it has to be for the analogy to work as intended.
❌ Incorrect
An analogy is not an equation. If most of a movie is G-rated, but it incorporates 10 minutes of hardcore sex, then the movie isn't suitable for children. If most of a game is E-rated, but it incorporates gambling, then the game isn't suitable for children.
Most of the game isn't gambling, to pretend otherwise is just silly.
Just because most of the [game/movie] is suitable for kids doesn't mean the [game/movie] as a whole is suitable for kids. Do you see how both of those things share that similarity, despite not being morally equivalent?
*Edited to more precisely and concisely make my point
You're explicity suggesting the thing is not suitable for kids, while also explicity calling something that isn't gambling, gambling. That's the point Cosmetic lootboxes are suitable for kids. Unlike porn or gambling.
It's not gambling, it just happens to function literally exactly the same as a slot machine, except that instead of getting money back on a jackpot, you get digital clothes and player characters
It is literally gambling you twit
By that logic all games with any random component is gambling... which would include pretty much every game ever published. If Diablo isn't gambling, then neither is genshin.
If player characters in Diablo were locked inside a digital slot machine that you could pay real money to spin, and players were heavily incentivized to do so because you can't reasonably expect to get all of the best characters without spending a bunch of real life money on spins, you would have a point.
You should really try to seek out other viewpoints. Literally every discussion about this topic overwhelmingly agrees that gacha games are gambling.
"You're not part of the hivemind so go seek out more people that agree with me until you are" is a wild statement.
That's not an accurate summary of what I said. Being factually correct isn't being part of a hive mind lmfao
You're sitting here arguing that 2+2 actually doesn't equal 4, and I'm done trying to explain that it does. Please learn to read past a kindergarten level someday
You literally said I wasn't correct because a majority of people hold a different viewpoint, and that I should get out of a non-existent echo chamber so I conform to the majority viewpoint.
If you don't understand why your last paragraph is stupid, I don't think you should have kids or care about what happens to kids.
I didn't say anything about an echo chamber dude, try again. Maybe try responding to the first paragraph about player characters being locked behind a digital slot machine that you can pay real money to spin.
"You should really try to seek out other viewpoints" suggests I haven't... what is an echo chamber, young one?
You still haven't responded to the part about the real money slot machine
Almost like you know you're full of shit
Because that's stupid, the point of a slot machine from the players perspective isn't colors moving, which is the only common theme between the two.
It's like saying a horse is a tree because they're both brown.
All video games contain a random element, and a lot of video games since Diablo have random reward elements, and fucking happy meals aren't considered gambling so lootboxes aren't gambling, so your allusion fails.
You still haven't responded about the real money part lmfao
Whether happy meals are a form of gambling could be an interesting discussion, if you were a smarter and nicer person. Lootboxes and gacha games super duper duper duper duper are though
It's like saying a horse is a tree because they're both brown.
No, it's like saying gachapon games are gambling because they let players spend real money to get a randomly determined result, with the most desirable results being the rarest, triggering the same reward system in the brain that other forms of gambling do, which is harmful to children not just because it triggers those reward systems, but because it entices them to spend real money on more rolls.
The reason I don't consider Diablo a form of gambling is because you aren't heavily encouraged to try to get every legendary item, and even if you really want a particular one, you can't just pull out your credit card and spend minutes at a time dropping real money on more rolls. You have to put in effort. You have to play the game.
ETA: I'm going to go ahead and say Happy meals aren't a form of gambling, because a) results are all equally likely, b) you aren't heavily encouraged to collect any particular reward, and most importantly c) you can simply ask a cashier for a particular reward. Imagine if you could just ask the dealer to give you 21 in blackjack, or ask the slot machine for a jackpot
❌ Incorrect
Two things that cause harm can both be bad even if they don't cause the same amount of harm.
Example: we should restrict the sale of both cigarettes and vapes to children. Vapes unequivocally cause less harm than cigarettes, and despite that, they should face the same legal age restrictions.
It's an analogy bro
You should know better than to assume that the average Lemmy user understands analogies. Lemmy users are generally pretty smart when it comes to technology, but not when it comes to interpersonal communication or politics
Haha yeah I've picked up on that. Oh well
It's comparable to gambling—you should keep up with the thread.
Largest simp/grindwage DB ever
Yeah because they intentionally sexualise their extremely youthful characters
... And promote gambling.
wait how exactly are the kids sexualized? i know there's like one or two, but are they actually sexualized canonically?
erm aktually they're 2000 years old
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Ha. I hope it kills it.
Deleting friends lists seems pretty extreme for being late to verify your age? What age are they requiring? 18?
Killing off your largest player base. Smooth.
People say that, but kids under 16 probably aren't the majority of people spending thousands in gachas. They usually don't have money, save for the ones who steal their parents's credit card.
No, but kids under 16 are hooked into the content drip on their favorite social media. This significantly impacts the drip, a big part of online gaming is sharing what you have or have done through YouTube, TikTok, etc.
Everybody wants to be a content creator. Nobody wants to be a content creator in default skins.
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