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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What do they mean by "biological" women? There are different characteristics to biological markers: gonodal, genetic / chromosomal, anatomical, hormonal. All can be manifested differently.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's part of what their protest is getting at — as you highlight, even "biological sex" is pretty complex (In science, I have heard that the "three G's" (Gonads, genetics, genitals) model is the standard definition, but scientists who research biological sex seem to consider this an extreme oversimplification). Fuzzy definitions like this are fine in science, but things get much messier when we try to write these things into law. One of my problems with the recent Supreme Court ruling on transgender rights is how they use the phrase "biological woman", as if it is a simple matter.

I find this especially striking because I'm a cis woman who has plenty of experience of being treated poorly due to being a woman, and I feel like my "biological sex" (as in gonads, genetics and genitals) don't factor into it much; far more significant is whether I am perceived as a woman, and this is why "gender" can be far more useful than "biological sex" in these discussions.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

even "biological sex" is pretty complex (In science, I have heard that the "three G's" (Gonads, genetics, genitals) model is the standard definition, but scientists who research biological sex seem to consider this an extreme oversimplification)

Yupp. That's my understanding. I found this video by a biologist enlightening in this matter: Sex and Sensibility by Forrest Valkai (1:40:26, Youtube)

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They have three categories: "biological woman," which is a fertile cis woman with XX chromosomes and a vulva; "biological man," which is a fertile or formerly fertile cis man with XY chromosomes; and undesirables, who are everyone else and are referred to by whichever terminology is convenient for them at any given point.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

which is a fertile cis woman

Alright, women beyond their menopause are no longer women. Check.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

They won't always admit it, but they definitely imply it.