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I am not Chinese so I cannot speak to the exact situation, but that seems to depend on the location.
Beijing? Hardcore communist strongpoint with Marxism a strong focus in local politics, universities, and civilian life.
Shanghai? Extremely liberal and nearly devoid of communist influence, with strong western leanings.
Is Shanghai really as liberal as people say it is? I have my doubts, but I do know there are a shit ton of capitalist bootlickers in Shanghai.
It saddens me because I'd love to live in Shanghai or Shenzhen, but the liberal atmosphere and the threat of flooding piss me off.
My family's from there and we've definitely felt that Shanghai is extremely westernized and liberal, even down to the smug moral superiority complex that western libs (the reddit types) have.
Many are pro-west and attribute the city's success to opening up to west while downplaying a bit the fact that it's due to the effective direct administration by the central government. Definitely have heard a few of them complain that the city government is not "ruled by true local old Shanghai-ers" and thus not putting their interests ahead of everything else.
What other cities besides Shanghai would you recommend for the same feel? Like say Chengdu.
Shanghai's also quite expensive too...
There was a saying a while ago about "If you want to feel history, visit Beijing/Xi'An. To feel modernity, visit Shanghai. To experience the future, visit Shenzhen."
Haven't been to them but if you enjoy spicy food you should have a decent time in Sichuan. Hunan (Chairman Mao's birthplace) might also be worth a visit.
I know its expensive to move to most major cities in China. I'm planning ahead for the future where if Amerikkka becomes too far-gone to become socialist, I'm thinking of moving my family and I to China to escape political and racial persecution.
I'm not Chinese, and I know its a long shot, but I have nothing to lose.
Start learning the language now, find a local class if you can, get your family learning, the earlier you start the better, Chinese is difficult and will help you immensely if you are genuinely planning to go, i know people who gwt passed over for jobs regularly in China because they're only visitor level speakers.
Also if you're well paid where you live now and have a lot of saving, tier 2 cities will be great price range for you. Also keep your eye in northeastern cities, they are on the up swing and tons of money is being dumped into them right for economic and social rehabilitation so when you are ready to move they may be perfect choices.
I'm not in a great financial situation but not absolutely terrible either. Mind if I pm you?
Go for it!
The thing people forget is China is a normal country with a Marxist Leninist party running it, there are diverse beliefs and people, and it's much more open then say, the soviet union, for better and for worse.
That's really interesting I hadn't heard that before.
It mostly revolves around cities that were bases for foreign influence, dating back all the way to colonialization. Shanghai was an occupied "port treaty" city, so it was heavily influenced by the British, Americans, Japanese, French, Dutch, and Germans. This has bled into the modern day as liberal and western sentiment is heavily entrenched. Shanghai is also a nexus of the financial market in China, so Western business and money is heavily concentrated in the city. This trend is repeated in Macau, Hong Kong, Zhenjiang, Tianjin, and so on.
Shanghai was also one of the primary Nationalist holdouts in the Civil War, so that also lends influence.
This image shows the sheer amount of colonized treaty cities that bled liberal and colonial influence into China. It is easy to see how 150+ years of imperialist influence can cause long lasting effects.