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As it turns out it doesn't actually cost that much on regular transit, there's an AIRPORT SURCHARGE because it's an "airport train".

No wonder Americans don't use public transit, even when the system exists it's ridiculously difficult and expensive to use.

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[–] emmanuel_car@fedia.io 124 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Meanwhile here in Germany I can use any bus, tram, U-Bahn, or train (excluding high speed) anywhere in the country for 58€/month

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah with the 10 euro ticket.

[–] RamenDame@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The DeutschlandTicket is the best thing! I love it. I want that with their Steuernummer, baby’s get a DeutschlandTicket. Everybody needs a DeutschlandTicket.

[–] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been wondering why this hasn't become a thing yet. Probably lobbying from all the Verkehrsverbünde.

[–] NessD@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

No, they really want to keep it as cheap as possible. It's the Bundesregierung that rather subsidises Diesel privileges and Pendlerpauschalen.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It cost me about £60 for one return rail ticket last week 😭 that's not including the tube fare to get to the station.

[–] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep, train tickets are ridiculous here. It kills me on the inside whenever I have to go to London.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Let's hope nationalisation brings ticket prices down. I was happy to see the South Western is the first to be taken back.

Edit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceqg73znzzeo

The government cannot guarantee train tickets will get cheaper under renationalisation, as South Western Railway (SWR) was brought into public ownership on Sunday.

Oh well.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Seeing as government has directly set all ticket prices for the past 5 years, that’s not going to happen.

Rail prices in Britain are set largely to manage demand, as there is significant congestion. If tickets were reduced, too many people would try to travel at peak hours.

It’s also been the philosophy of every government since the 1950s that railways should fund themselves as much as possible, so central funding is lower than elsewhere.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 points 8 hours ago

I read on another thread the reason is the companies leasing the rolling stock are charging ridiculously high amounts, so the operators are running on tight margins.

For peak, I get it. But the off peak trains I was on were nowhere near capacity. So lower fares may have encouraged more people to use the train than the coach, which takes longer but is significantly cheaper.

[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

In SF its a hundred dollars a month, but you can only go to 4 stations in the city, so you end up paying regular fare on top of that all the time, and usless for commuters.

The busses frequently dont exist even though google and the signs say they should be arriving, so youre frequently an hour or more late because you had to get an uber because the bus never came.

If youre going to a connecting train or flight you need to leave hours early to account for delays.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

bart is quite expensive, some people cant afford the muni fees, or dont want to so they just fare evade. the inspectors are extra aggressive in giving people the ticket, but many people will give fake details so it doesnt get sent thier house, NEVER give your ID that can identify you r personal details.

as long as there is no peace officer(police) you can just try to walk off the bus and exit on a stop they dont chase you. might be harder on a BART station though.

[–] TheHalifaxJones@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Which 4 stations? Back when I was there before Covid I was paying the monthly bart card but I could go anywhere as long as it was Bart. Did that change?

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago

NYC is much more reasonable

[–] fristislurper@feddit.nl 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But if you don't have the D-ticket, good luck figuring out how the local ticketing machine works haha

[–] trolske@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago

Easy, just buy the ticket in DB Navigator

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

I want that in the Netherlands as well. Much smaller country, so less value for your money. But now you pay even more (€66) for a return ticket from the east border to the west border (Winterswijk - Scheveningen).