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Regardless of whether the meat industry itself is a problem, you surely must admit that consuming meat from the industry only feeds the meat industry.
whether I do or not, the industry continues to grow.
Yeah, due to increased demand. Let's be clear here, I'm not talking about "how much difference can just one person make?" -- if you eat meat, you eat one person's worth of meat. That one person's worth of meat is due to you. If you did not eat meat, there would be one less person eating meat, and the meat industry would be that much smaller; a couple fewer animals might be slaughtered as a result over the course of your lifetime (I have no idea how many animals the typical person eats tbh).
I'm not claiming that one person becoming vegetarian will bring a halt to the meat industry.
if I died today there is no reason for me to believe any industry would get smaller as a result, and I would of course stop purchasing everything.
there are more vegans now more than ever, and more meat produced. being vegan doesn't decrease the size of the industry.
Obviously not. Eating meat increases the size of the meat industry. If twice as many people ate meat, that'd be twice as good for the meat industry -- I think. At least some constant factor times better. I would have to double-check my old textbook to see what classical economics predicts, there might be diminishing returns.
eating meat doesn't cause people in the meat industry to do anything. they get to choose what they do.
Are you just trolling at this point? Do you even understand what you're saying about causality? Are we debating semantics?
Edit: this is like saying you have zero ethical qualms with somebody hiring an assassin to kill somebody. Yeah, the assassin ultimately does the deed, but you're still paying for it. If you had not hired the assassin, the person would not have died -- looks like cause and effect to me.
Similarly, you should understand that if you choose to eat meat, that benefits the meat industry and more animals will die as a result. Put aside your definition of "cause" for a moment -- you must agree with me that this is true right?
I pity that you spent this long talking to a very poor LLM set out to troll people. Either that, or a human so far gone there's truly no point in talking to them, as they deluded themselves into believing that the world is completely seperated from their actions.
I think I learned a little from this interaction. But it was more cathartic than I would have thought to be honest. That was two accounts btw.