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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Another truth that must be addressed is that most Jewish people either actively or passively support the genocide of Palestinians. Therefore we need people like me within Judaism to call it out and people outside of Judaism to agree it's a problem.

[–] bampop@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

most Jewish people

Whether or not that's true, I don't think it's the sort of claim that should be made without supporting evidence. Bear in mind that the Zionist lobby is powerful, vocal and ruthless, many people may be afraid to speak out against it. If a group can be made to feel like they are the minority, it can seem as if they really are.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I dont think there are any trustworthy statistics so ill be honest, I mostly went off my personal experience as a Jewish person and having interacted with my community extensively

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean it is a true statistic.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas

Support for the IDF among American and Israeli Jewish people alone accounts for more than half of the worldwide Jewish population. It's not antisemitic to point out that most Jewish people worldwide support the genocide.

What is antisemitic is to dislike Jewish people in general because of it.

Just to clearify, I am Jewish. When I point out that most Jews are Zionist im making my frustration about my people clear.

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This certainly appears to be true.

My government, and Israel, have made it clear that my opposition to the genocide in Gaza makes me an antisemite. I have maybe only once read of a Jewish person or group opposing this view.

So be it, I know which side of history I want to tell my young nieces and nephews I was on, so I have no problem whatsoever with any of legal issues this might cause me.

Of course, the price for Israel (and silent Jewish people) making the judgement that I and most socially liberal people are antisemites, is Jewish people are on their own, other than the far right/nazi aligned groups who support their actions in Gaza, in terms of international support from people not governments.

Edit - and as an aside, I think this new alignment indicates that a lot of the 20th century Western notions of political 'left' and 'right' are dead, 'liberalism' is a political double-speak (do you mean economic or social liberalism? Because they are at odds), and it isn't Russia v. the USA, because American oligarchs and wannabe strongmen are in perfect alignment with their Russian counterparts.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Code Pink, Jewish voice for peace, Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé, Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler. These are some of the Jewish folks opposing settler colonial Zionism. There is a strong Jewish tradition of being on the right side of history. Sure, Judaism is not a monolith, and sure, maybe (and this is a really big fat maybe, and I'd love to see actual data either supporting or refuting this, which is conspicuously absent from this discussion) the majority of Jews support Israel's actions, but there is a sizable portion of Jews worldwide that oppose settler colonialism, and and even larger portion that opposes the ongoing genocide.