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wtf do you need documentation for? god, fuck everything about flying
It's a health risk to the baby and the mother.
They also don’t want people giving birth on planes. Makes a bit of a mess and cleaning up delays the next flight
Don't they need a special cleaning team, since it's a biohazard?
So? That’s what liability wavers are for.
Can liability waivers bring someone back to life?
They don't ask you for a document that your cardiologist let you fly. They don't ask you for a document that you don't need a document from any other doctor. They only ask a woman that. Because it's not about health.
If someone dies of heart attack on plane, nothing happens, they just die. If someone goes to labor, they bring the plane down.
they absolutely bring the plane down. most declared Maydays are for medical emergencies in flight. until someone's pronounced dead by an authority, they are a critically ill passenger.
How are you supposed to see if someone has a heart condition?
I'm asking since you made a statement making them equal. Can you see if someone is pregnant at 20+ weeks? The answer is yes, therefore you can enforce it.
However, enforcing it like they appeared to have done and asking irrelevant questions are the real issues.
Why the fuck does this matter? Are we only care about health if it's visible?
Oh, so it is ok to check for pregnant women then? Good. Then thats sorted.
That's an impressive way to not comprehend a written text. Not the dumbest maybe, but up there.
I was simply responding in a similarily stupid non-answer kind of way that you did.
Obviously you should care about peoples health and asking like that is so missing the point that the only response is to be as asenine.
The point is that you can't look at someone and see if they have a heart issue, so you aren't gonna be able to enforce the rule. But you might just maybe be able to spot a 28 weeks pregnant lady.
No, but if a pregnant mother wants to get on the plane despite knowing the risks, then a liability waiver should let them
Can you sign a liability waiver for killing a child that has gone past the time for a legal abortion? Clearly there is a point when you put your child at risk. The liability waiver is for the airline.
If it's for the airline's liability then wouldn't it no longer be their business once passed to the consumer?
So murder is ok, as long as you get it signed off?
since when has that not been the case?
Try it if you want
what do you think this even means?
I’m not a company nor a state entity, no power is going to sign for me.
Why do you think others can then?
Well it's not the airline's responsibility if it's not their responsibility is my point. If it's her responsibility to inform them how along she is, then it's her who is responsible. If it's murder it's her doing it. 2 I mean as long as it checks all the proper boxes they'll do it to any of us, they just call it an execution. Even if they are able to prove the box was checked wrongly later. 3 people sign off on danger for their kids all the time. Is elevated danger murder? Is airline travel so dangerous it's guaranteed to kill the kid? Plenty of lines here that shouldn't get a "So mUrDEr iS oK?" Reaction.
I think the disagreement here comes down to whether you think life begins at conception, birth, or somewhere in between.
There is no disagreement. At 28 weeks there is 0 disagreement of the capability of bringing a child to term. Unless you're dying as the mom/birther, there is no way you get to perform an abortion after 28 weeks in any country.
Absolutely.
You mean the documentation that is the first thing mentioned in the meme?
Why on earth would you get a corporate liability waver from your doctor?
No I mean like the kind printed on the back of the ticket that says “by using this you accept all liabilities and responsibilities therein henceforth and in perpetuity blah blah blah”.
And how do you prove that you've signed the liability waivers?
Checkmate, libtard
I have a note from my doctor
Is that what they're for? You know this as a fact? You've worked in the airline industry?
Or are you just making things up about something you obviously don't understand.
You get a bit of a dose of cosmic radiation while flying. It won't turn your baby into the Thing or give them the ability to catch on fire or turn invisible, but it could still damage the baby at a vital stage of their development.
I don’t buy that explanation. Why would that dose of radiation be more harmful to a more developed fetus?
The crew just doesn’t want to deal with a mother spontaneously giving birth, and the airline doesn’t want to deal with the paperwork of taking off with n passengers and landing with n+1. And no-one wants to find out the nationality of a baby born over the Atlantic.
Correct. As a father of four and who moved across an ocean when one of them was six months in utero it has more to do with concerns that changes in air pressure might induce early labor.
Edit: I realize this post reads like I abandoned my family when one of my kids was six months away from being born. I didn’t. But it’s a funny enough mistake that I’m not changing it.
So how were the cigarettes
Eh. Should’ve got menthols.
Correct, has nothing to do with radiation.
Nationality of somebody born on a plane wouldn't be a big deal as long as at least one of the parents comes from a country where lex sanguis applies. If lex solis applies (as in the USA) then they could in fact be stateless unless their parents have some other nationality.
And, if I remember correctly, the captain has the responsibility to record births and deaths on board an airplane. So you might be on to something with the paperwork.
That actually sounds incredibly fun, as a law nerd!
after all that drama, an actual answer LOL
but still, fuck everything about flying
Multiple people have given you actual answers that are all a part of it.
Do you thing the airline industry has no experience with this type of situation or something?
Bullshit. The dose is so minimal as to be inconsequential.
That's not it at all. It's mostly the acceleration and turbulence that can potentially damage the fetus, the same reason they shouldn't ride rollercoasters.
Yeah but the cosmic rays tho
I mean have you seen what happened to the fantastic four?
In the US it depends on the airline. We went on a babymoon vacation when my partner was 30-something weeks and didn't need to provide any documentation (Alaska Airlines). She did run it by her providers first, but that wasn't an airline/TSA/FAA requirement.
How long was the flight though? Were you staying within say... three hours of travel or was it crossing the Pacific or going to like...Florida...which are both over 7hrs? The flight length and where you're travelling to can be a factor in whether they ask for documentation or not.
>2000 mile flight. Not crazy long but not short. (The state of Alaska was not involved, just the airline.)
Oooh. Ok. Sorry, when I hear an airline with a specific place name my brain goes to somewhere within that place as one of the ends of the flight. It gives me an anchor point if I'm looking into flight lengths. :)
Regardless, I can see why some airlines have restrictions, especially on certain flight paths. They're not exactly equipped to handle labour if the pregnancy is high risk or something unexpected goes wrong and there's an increased chance of early labour later in pregnancy in that situation. (And it's higher if it's twins, triplets, etc. You can have multis 'on time', but you have a higher chance of going into early labour in that case to begin with.) And if you're say...halfway across the Pacific or Atlantic you don't really have a lot of options in any kind of emergency situation. Whereas if the flight is from LA to Toronto you have a lot of places you can land in a situation like that.
It never hurts to discuss and check in with your trusted medical provider(s) at that stage of pregnancy or if you're in the high risk category (or if you have other non-pregnancy conditions that might put you at an increased risk). Forearmed - with knowledge in this case - is forewarned, right! :)