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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This massively differs per country. Pitbull bites are generally nastier than other bites so they're overreported. It's also partially the public image of pitbulls being nasty dogs that gets them reported more often.

Historically the "most dangerous breed" has changed quite a bit. For a while Great Danes were the worst, then it was Dogo Argentinis, Malinois, German Shepherd, Akitas, Labradors, Jack Russells, etc...

In France for example pitbulls only rank 12th for most bite incidents.

Research on it has been mixed, with studies focusing on nature finding that the breed matters surprisingly little when it comes to aggression. It seems more likely that there's a certain group of owners that handle their dogs irresponsibly, which tend to popularize specific breeds. This seems more likely because places that banned 'dangerous' breeds don't see a decrease in bite attacks; the owners of the dangerous breeds mostly get new dogs, which then just bite people again.

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is because pitbulls are a restricted breed and France. So either people don't have them, or they get the vet to say it's some other breed (more often than not)

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Point being that different dog breeds are listed at the top of being most dangerous in France.

You're still allowed to own a pitbull in France, but you do require a training and need to muzzle them in public (but not at home).

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, when pitbull ownership is restricted, pitbulls fall from the number one spot for most dangerous

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Obviously. Point being that these owners take different dogs which then rise in the ranking to take the pitbulls place.

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, and to the original point you used french rankings to attempt to make, the ranking of pitbulls is not because they are treated better or just culturally aren't regarded as dangerous, it is because they are restricted legally.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, the point I was making regarding what's culturally considered dangerous didn't relate to France directly, that was about the US which went through various phases of panic regarding certain dog breeds. I only brought up France because there different dog breeds have risen to the top of the bite attack statistics. The restriction on pitbulls just let other dog breeds rise to the top. The breed matters less than who owns them. In France, the more irresponsible dog owners gravitate to German Shepherds and Labradors whereas in the US it's pitbulls.

I don't mind the French ban on pitbulls, because their attacks can be significantly more damaging than those of other breeds. But it won't really reduce the number of incidents.

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have evidence that other breed attack rates have risen, as opposed to the attacks by staffy/bully/pit breeds simply not occuring? I wasn't able to find this evidence in eurostat.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Best Friends Animal Society, “Protecting the Public while Preserving Responsible Owners’ Property Rights,” bestfriends.org (accessed July 6, 2021)

This source shows that pitbull bans did nothing to reduce bite attacks in Spain, showing the same numbers 5 years before and after the ban.

They also state this:

Best Friends Animal Society explains three mitigating factors in dog attacks: 97% of the owners had not sterilized the dogs; 84% of the owners had abused or neglected their dogs; and 78% were using the dogs as guard dogs or breeding dogs instead of keeping the dogs as pets.

Then there's this one:

ASPCA, “Position Statement on Breed-Specific Legislation,” aspca.org (accessed July 6, 2021)

Council Bluff, Iowa, banned pitbulls, and saw Boxer and Labrador Retriever bites rise as those were the breeds people switched to.

Same source shows that it Winnipeg, Canada, instead saw Rottweiler bite attacks increase.

And from this source:

Emily Anthes, “But How Much Does Breed Shape a Dog’s Health and Behavior?,” nytimes.com, Feb. 9, 2025

Rather than breed traits, the ASPCA notes chaining and tethering dogs outside, lack of obedience training, and selective breeding for protection or fighting are risk factors for dog attacks.

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Bestfriends.org advocates for pitbull acceptance providing an opinion here, and I don't see the actual data that says the rates of dog attacks remained the same when staffy/bully/pit ownership is reduced.

If what you hypothesize is true, we should expect to see the overall rate of dog attacks stay the same, while proportionally other breeds become responsible for more of the total sum of dog attacks. Have you found actual statistics to back this assertion up? Your links all point to the home page of the sites, rather than stats.

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How many American Pitbulls are there in France?

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Very few of course. Other dog breeds are known to bite a lot in France. You can still own a pitbull but you require training and you need to muzzle them in public.

Still, there are approximately 35k pitbulls in France. Few compared to the total of course.

In France, German Shepherds cause 18% of dog bite attacks, 16% for Labradors. Generally bigger dogs -> more reported bite attacks, with some exceptions here and there where popular breeds end up higher.

Still, most studies don't find a direct connection between a dogs nature and their inclination to attack, or a weak one at best. There is of course a link between the breed and the severity of the attack however.