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Reporters Without Borders Decries 'Wave of Violence' Against Journalists at LA Protests
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So what? Do you just watch until you're being herded into concentration camps anyway? This is the first instance of effective resistance to Trump (the April parades don't count) since January and they're calling in the Marines already. This was simply never going to end peacefully, because any effective act of mass resistance was going to be suppressed violently; avoiding escalation means avoiding resistance.
Edit: This person is not arguing in good faith. I cornered them in this thread and they claimed that ICE won't shoot people unless provoked and then that they're shooting people to provoke an escalation. Their argument seems to hinge on the idea that rubber bullets are harmless pranks you should just suck up.
Resistance doesn't have to include escalation. Leave that to them...they are going to escalate anyway. If the protesters are the ones doing it, then they just handed Trump exactly what he wants...a legal justification for his actions.
Neither Trump nor his followers give a flying fuck about legal justifications, and any so-called moderate who cares about that is a fascist in denial. Solidarity is indispensible when fighting tyranny, and solidarity demands that when members of your community are being kidnapped by the Gestapo you fight back, not watch and cry about legal justifications.
Man, I would love to be as delusional as you are. It must be so much fun thinking life is like a video game.
Look, if your strategy and tactics prevent you from protecting your own neighbors you've already lost the plot.
How does getting your neighbors killed, "protect" them? Those people are already doing enough to protect their neighbors right now. How would starting an all-out civil war, protect anyone?
My point is that continuing that is the escalation you're talking about. Consider the following situation: ICE comes for person X and group Y shows up. Y refuse to hand over X, at which point ICE threatens to shoot them if they don't comply. What should Y do here? Hand over X? Peacefully get shot? Shoot back?
Like I said...you are delusional.
If ICE shows up for person X, and group Y stands in front of them....ICE is not going to start shooting people unless they are threatened with violence. If the entire neighborhood comes out onto the streets in enough numbers, and simply stands their ground...ICE will have no choice but to either leave, or break the law.
But, if you step up to them with violent intent...then all bets are off, and your fantasy scenario comes true. So, if that's what you want to see happen...then go ahead. FAFO. Because as much as you might like to imagine you can take on the US military with your home stash of guns...you don't have enough ammo to "save your neighbors" from that level of stupidity. All you're going to do is get a lot of people killed, and accomplish exactly nothing.
You do realize they're shooting protesters right as we speak right? That's literally why we're having this conversation.
Lol! I can't believe I need to say this...rubber bullets are not the same thing as live rounds. And they are using them, in order to escalate the situation. They want the protesters to fight back, in order to give them the excuse they need to take it to the next level. Which is exactly why they need to keep their shit together.
If those protesters give them what they want, then people will actually start getting hurt, for real. Stop pretending like we're already there. That kind of hyperbolic drama is entirely unhelpful.
Good job moving the goalposts, I almost didn't notice it.
-you.
I now have every reason to believe you're not debating in good faith given that you just fucking lied so I'll disengage, but before I leave you do realize that they're sending people to the hospital right as we speak right? Rubber bullets can hurt, they can blind and, especially at close range, they can fucking kill.
Buddy, you're the one not arguing in good faith, if you are saying that rubber bullets and live rounds are the same thing. If you don't understand the difference between lethal and non-lethal ammunition, then you're right...there is no point in talking about this any further.
If everyone is reading this far down, this person has lost the plot the moment they said rubber bullets are "non-lethal". To repeat myself, this is blatantly untrue; they're called "less-lethal ammunitions" because they can still kill you. You can still die if a cop shoots you with a rubber bullet. Stay safe out there everyone.
Man, why are you even having this argument when you are this ignorant about what these terms mean?
Do you understand the difference between "lethal" and "non-lethal" in the context of basic crowd control tactics?
For that matter, do you understand the difference in classification between a "protest" and a "riot"?
And are you even aware of your rights in either of those scenarios, and what tactics the police are authorized to use?
Because if you don't understand these concepts, then you are simply bullshitting your way through this conversation. And at this point, it really seems like that's the case. If you do understand these concepts and are still making this argument, then you are being completely disingenuous.
As I said...if you aren't going to argue in good faith, then what's the point? You're just pretending to be stupid, at this point.