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My company did a forced RTO. Moral dropped. In one category, it dropped to 14%. We couldn’t hire anyone and people were quitting. Our president kept saying “We will never return to WFH.”
Less than 6 months after he said that, we went fully remote. The whole RTO thing lasted about a year before they gave up.
What is it about CEOs that makes this the ego power trip issue for them?
Tax breaks for having asses in seats at certain geographic locations.
Actually, I work in commercial real estate.
It’s not uncommon for there to be triggers on these loans that go into effect when a tenant vacates a property, even if they are still paying rent.
They direct control of their rents and they have to pay a monthly fee for management.
I can promise you, the only reason we returned to remote is luck. Our lease happened to be up at the same time our moral dropped.
Still, many of our employees cheered and celebrated the announcement. Take the wins where you can.
Sorry for the ignorance, but why would a lender care about the occupancy of a building?
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It affects the value of the surrounding spaces.
Example: A strip mall has a grocery store. If the grocery is active on the property, the surrounding spaces are more valuable to rent. The landlord can rent the spaces to restaurants retail stores because the grocery store has a lot of foot traffic.
If the grocery store “goes dark” or stops operating at the strip mall, the neighboring Chipotles and Game Stops lose money and close. The landlord can’t fill those spaces as easily as when the grocery store was there.
If the spaces are empty, no rent comes in. No rent means no mortgage payments.
Edit: I forgot to add. Commercial mortgages are different than residential for lots of reasons but a big one is the dollar amount. Some of these properties are $100M loans so the trusts and banks involved have a lot more say as to what goes on at the property.
If you want to fix your sink, you do it. If they want to, they have to get permission to make changes.
That does make sense, thanks.
The best half cocked reason I've heard from my own employer, is optics when clients are visiting and tours and shit. It's not a good reason, but it was the only reason I've heard with any explanation.
There are plenty of people that I know that like going to the office and others that like hybrid. I am hybrid 3 days at home, and I'm okay with that, and if I want to, I'll just say I'm not coming in, and nobody asks questions. The point is, if you need asses in seats, find the people in the company that want to, and work within those bounds, or incentives fringe people if you need more. If my company required RTO, I'd immediately update my resume and start shopping around.
lol if I was visiting a vendor and heard they had forced RTO I'd question working with them because they clearly don't make good decisions.
I wish this was more prolific. It seems half the people I know who get forced into RTO...the company suffers but it is never RTO's fault.
Aye. It's always ok to simply go "shit, we were wrong, let's do this different this time" because we're all humans. It's when you refuse to even consider something a failure and then everyone has to show up and step in that pile of shit every day... Great for morale.