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Can we solve human suffering first? Not saying this isn't important... just that it's kind of hypocritical to shift the focus away from the "hard" stuff, to something "easier".
This is a false dichotomy. There is absolutely no reason to do both. And honestly, people who advocate for animal welfare tend to also be more outspoken against human suffering.
If I got a cent for every time I've heard an animal advocate say "I love animals, I hate people"... I'd have a couple bucks already. This thread seems to count towards that.
This isn’t a zero-sum game you can help people and the animals at the same time. You wouldn’t be trying to divert attention from dog abuse so don’t do it with the fish.
Please leave this thread and post articles about human suffering rather than attacking articles that advocate for the better treatment of the animals.
Prove it.
Show me how you get the resources to do both. Animalists are high on saving whales, kitties, puppies, etc. while letting their neighbors die home alone, or worse... when not directly saying "I love animals, I hate people".
No, I think I'm right where I should be. I don't doompost either.
Let's address the issue of fishing, by having everyone go plant based. Give some transitionary period so that the infrastructure keeps up. Suddenly, we are putting out far less greenhouse emissions and have loads more land and resources available to tackle other issues, because plant based diets use a fraction of the land and resources to support, and generate far lower emissions.
The climate situation stops enshittening at the rate it is, and we can allocate the freed up resources and land to "more important" issues, like (directly back into) climate change, homelessness, and world hunger.
We save fish and cows and chickens and pigs and etc from living tortured lives (yes, there will be a massive drop in livestock population as we stop breeding them to live in factories).
I love animals. I love people. This is a false dichotomy.
Well we do live in a capitalist society and capital is a zero sum game so it is a zero sum game just slightly more abstract.
Any critique of capitalism that ignores this aspect of exploitation is bullshit.
OK, but can we solve everyone elses before we even think about yours and anyone related to you?
Haha I love this response. Force this person to grow their own food because the farmers have more important people to feed.
You "love" the idea to "force" people to suffer, because they aren't your chosen ones?
Are you sure?